Was Fermat's last theorem really as difficult as it seemed?

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The discussion revolves around Fermat's Last Theorem, specifically its proof, the duration it took to solve, and the possibility of simpler or more elegant solutions. Participants explore the complexities of the theorem, its historical context, and the nature of Fermat's original claim regarding a proof.

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  • Some participants inquire about the methods used to prove Fermat's Last Theorem and question whether calculus could be applied to find a solution.
  • One participant suggests that the proof is too complex for standard calculus methods and implies that advanced mathematical knowledge is necessary.
  • There is speculation about the existence of a simpler solution, with some participants doubting that Fermat's proof could have been as complicated as Wiles' proof.
  • Concerns are raised about whether Fermat was exaggerating his claim of having a proof, with some participants suggesting he may have had an approximate proof or made a mistake regarding unique factorization.
  • Historical anecdotes are shared, including the story of the Walfskehi prize and its connection to Fermat's Last Theorem, illustrating the long-standing interest and conjecture surrounding the theorem.
  • Another participant argues against the idea that Fermat was merely bragging, suggesting that he may have initially believed he had a general proof before realizing it was flawed.

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Participants express differing views on the complexity of Fermat's proof and the possibility of a simpler solution. There is no consensus on whether Fermat was exaggerating or if he had a valid proof, and the discussion remains unresolved regarding the nature of his original claim.

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Participants highlight the challenges in understanding the proof and the historical context, noting that assumptions about unique factorization and the nature of mathematical proof play significant roles in the discussion.

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How was Fermat's last theorem proved and why did it take so long to solve this problem?
Is there a shorter,more elegant solution waiting to be found?Can the methods of calculus be used to solve this problem?
 
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Rothiemurchus said:
How was Fermat's last theorem proved

read the book. (and it is too hard to explain here, though basically it asserts that some canonical bijection between two sets of objects was written down).

and why did it take so long to solve this problem?

because it is very hard to even think of the method to attack this problem, never mind find the correct argument using that method.

Is there a shorter,more elegant solution waiting to be found?

probably not or it would have been found by now.

Can the methods of calculus be used to solve this problem?

depends what you call calculus, but I'll plump for 'no': you need to know a lot more maths than the average PhD in maths understands to appreciate the proof, and that certainly goes beyond whatever you mean by 'the methods of calculus.'
 
Calculus or not, I think at the levels at which to prove is read, branches superpose each other constantly and hence the label "calculus" wouldn't mean anything.
 
I was also wondering whether there is a simpler solution to the problem. Afterall, Fermat claimed he had the proof and I can't imagine his proof being even remotely as compliated as that of prof. Wiles (the Taniyama-Shimura conjecture and stuff...:confused:)

Was Fermat just bragging (which I doubt) or did he have a sort of ˝approximate˝ proof?
 
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I was also wondering whether there is a simpler solution to the problem. Afterall, Fermat claimed he had the proof and I can't imagine his proof being even remotely as compliated as that of prof. Wiles (the Taniyama-Shimura conjecture and stuff...:confused:)

Was Fermat just bragging (which I doubt) or did he have a sort of ˝approximate˝ proof?

Well, when I went to school before Wiles' proof, that matter was given over to much conjecture and there was no clear answer. Some believe he made a mistake about unique factorization, as did Kummer. Many, many amateurs have been absolutely sure that Fermat had his proof, and have used that premise to believe that some simple idea is just laying around waiting to be found by the lucky one. But that has not been shown to work out.

There was in 1908 the Walfskehi prize of 100,000 marks for a correct solution. But that largely disappeared in the collapse of the mark, but was restored in present times and collected finally by Wiles. It was worth $50,000.

Walfskehi was an interesting story in himself. He was going to commit suicide, and arranged everything in his office in a very methodical way. He set the exact time, but suddenly he thought he had found a solution to Fermat's Last Theorem, and he worked long and hard at that. But by the time he found his mistake, the hour of his death passed; and, of course, as methodical as he was, he had to drop the whole matter. He proved so grateful about that that he created the prize.
 
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No, Fermat was not "bragging" (after all, he wrote his comment about having a simple proof in the margin of a book only he read- it was not even discovered until after his death). What happened to Fermat was the what happens to mathematicians regularly- he thought he saw a way to give a very general proof, wrote down a comment to remind himself, and then when he looked more closely, saw that it die not work.
 
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