Predicting Future System State Without Time

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Predicting the future state of a system without incorporating time as a factor is fundamentally impossible, as established by the analogy of the equation y=2x, where the value of "y" cannot be determined without knowing "x." The discussion emphasizes that most systems are inherently time-dependent, making time a necessary component for any predictions regarding future states. The Wheeler-Dewitt equation is mentioned as an interesting exception where time appears to be absent, but this does not apply to typical predictive models.

PREREQUISITES
  • Understanding of basic mathematical equations, specifically linear equations like y=2x.
  • Familiarity with time-dependent systems in physics and their implications.
  • Knowledge of the Wheeler-Dewitt equation and its significance in theoretical physics.
  • Concept of predictive modeling and its reliance on temporal data.
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  • Research the implications of time in predictive modeling across various scientific disciplines.
  • Study the Wheeler-Dewitt equation and its role in quantum gravity.
  • Explore time-dependent vs. time-independent systems in physics.
  • Investigate alternative predictive models that may not rely on traditional time metrics.
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This discussion is beneficial for physicists, mathematicians, and anyone involved in predictive modeling or theoretical research, particularly those interested in the relationship between time and system states.

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Is it possible to predict the future state of a system without using time as a factor?
 
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I'm not sure exactly what you mean, but let me try an analogy and see if you think it fits: consider an equation such as y=2x. Is it possible to calculate "y" without knowing "x"? No.
 
If the time phys relation exist

If the time phys relations is exist. the progress is determind. as this serious , the time can determind in another.
 
Originally posted by imi
Is it possible to predict the future state of a system without using time as a factor?

no i wouldnt' imagine it would. because your using time as a measuring stick (the future) so any predictions on the future would be based on the extent of time that passes. unless it pretains to the status if nonexistant things (like the lotto numbers)
 
How do you define the "future" without referring to time?
 
The simple answer would be: it depends on whether the system is time-dependent, if it is as most systems are then no.

Interestingly, I am lead to believe that time 'disappears' from the Wheeler-Dewitt equation.
 

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