Wave Function Question: Understanding |0,f\rangle & \hat{c}_{\vec{k},\sigma}^+

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The discussion revolves around the interpretation of the notation used in quantum mechanics, specifically the states represented by the notation ##|0,f\rangle## and the action of the operator ##\hat{c}_{\vec{k},\sigma}^+## on this state. Participants explore the implications of bra-ket notation, the nature of the states involved, and the operators acting on them.

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  • One participant inquires about the meaning of the notation ##|0,f\rangle=|0\rangle|f\rangle## and seeks clarification on its implications.
  • Another participant questions whether the inquiry is about the general meaning of bra-ket notation or specifically about the product state ##|a>|b>##.
  • A different participant asks how the operator ##\hat{c}## interacts with the state ##|0,f\rangle##.
  • There is a request for clarification on the expectation value ##\langle 0;f|\hat{C}_{i\sigma}^+|0;f\rangle##.
  • One participant emphasizes the need to define the state before discussing the operator's action.
  • Another participant suggests that the notation represents two separate entities, indicating that any operator associated with an electron will act on the second component of the product state.
  • A participant provides additional context from a text, explaining the unperturbed electron ground state and the separation of spin and spatial components, while seeking further clarification on the definitions of ##|0\rangle## and ##|f\rangle##.

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Participants express varying levels of understanding regarding the notation and the operators involved, with no consensus reached on the specific meanings or implications of the states and operators discussed.

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Participants reference specific definitions and contexts from literature, indicating that the discussion may depend on particular interpretations and definitions that are not universally agreed upon.

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http://books.google.rs/books?id=vrc...=0CB0Q6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=nolting RKKY&f=false

Here in the page 203 is defined ##|\vec{k}_i^{(i)},m_{s_i}^{(i)}\rangle## and also ##|0,f\rangle=|0\rangle|f\rangle##
what that notation means?
What is ##|0,f\rangle=|0\rangle|f\rangle##?
If operator ##\hat{c}_{\vec{k},\sigma}^+## creates electron with wave vector ##\vec{k}## and spin ##\sigma##.
What is
\hat{c}_{\vec{k},\sigma}^+|0,f\rangle?
 
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This is not clear. Are you asking what a bra-ket notation mean, or are you specifically asking what a state |a>|b> mean?

Zz.
 
Only in this case. How operator ##\hat{c}## attacks ##|0,f\rangle##?
 
For example
\langle 0;f|\hat{C}_{i\sigma}^+|0;f\rangle=?
 
You have to define the state the the operator...these are defined things...
 
I think it is just for two separate things so it can be written as product.Any operator associated with electron will act on second one not on first one
 
Well I can give more information. But I gave in first post book and the page. But ok...
\hat{s}_i^z=\frac{\hbar}{2}(\hat{c}_{i\uparrow}^+ \hat{c}_{i\uparrow}-\hat{c}_{i\downarrow}^+\hat{c}_{i\downarrow})
\hat{s}_i^+=\hbar \hat{c}_{i\uparrow}^+ \hat{c}_{i\downarrow}
\hat{s}_i^-=\hbar \hat{c}_{i\downarrow}^+ \hat{c}_{i\uparrow}

In text.
''Without perturbation electron exist in their unpolarised ground state. In addition since they don't interact with each other, the unperturbed electron ground state can be written as the antisymetrised product of single electron states
|\vec{k}_i^{(i)},m_{s_i}^{(i)}\rangle=|\vec{k}_i^{(i)}\rangle |m_{s_i}^{(i)}\rangle
where the spin magnetic quantum number ##m_{s_i}^{(i)}## takes the values ##\pm \frac{1}{2}##. ##|\vec{k}_i^{(i)}\rangle## is wave vector where superscript refers to the particle number. Furter since we want to treat conduction electrons as s electrons, which excludes spin orbit interraction, we can separate the spin and the space parts. Let
|0;f\rangle=|0\rangle|f\rangle
''
Can you now give me explanation. What is ##|0\rangle##? What is ##|f\rangle##? And how defined operators act on this state? Tnx.
 

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