Wave functions for Coherence and Entanglement

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The discussion revolves around the relationship between wave functions, coherence, and entanglement in quantum mechanics. Participants explore whether wave functions can describe coherence and entanglement, the mathematical and conceptual connections between the two, and the effects of obstacles on coherence compared to entanglement.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions whether wave functions can be used to describe coherence and entanglement, and if a mathematical or conceptual framework exists to show their complementarity.
  • Another participant suggests that Bra-Ket notation is simpler for explaining entanglement, but acknowledges that wave-function notation can also be used.
  • A mathematical example is provided for two identical bosons, illustrating how their wave function must be symmetric and how this relates to entanglement.
  • There is a query about whether there is a mathematical treatment that demonstrates a necessary decrease in coherence with an increase in entanglement, or vice versa.
  • A suggestion is made to read about decoherence, with links to external resources provided.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the relationship between coherence and entanglement, with some exploring potential mathematical connections while others raise questions about the nature of their interplay. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the specific mathematical relationships and effects.

Contextual Notes

Participants reference the effects of obstacles on coherence and entanglement without reaching a consensus on the implications or mathematical formulations. The discussion includes assumptions about the nature of wave functions and their treatment in quantum mechanics.

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My understanding of wave-functions is close to zero, pardon me if the questions don't sound proper.

1. Do we have wave-function usage to describe a) Coherence and b) Entanglement?

2. Has a (mathematical/conceptual) way been developed to show the complementarity between both (a & b) via wave-functions?

3. is there some sort of inter-convertibility between two? (via wave-function treatment)

On a separate note:

Interestingly the wave function that emerges from a (single particle) double slit get stopped/blocked/terminated by the same types of obstacles that would effect a photon/light.

However entanglement is not effected.

In short: Coherence is effected by obstacles but entanglement is not and yet they are complementary.

Some of the other complementary "pairs" are position-momentum, time-energy, if we try to compare the pairs wonder if we can draw any insights/parallels
 
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It's conceptually simpler to use Bra-Ket notation in order to explain entanglement, but there is a wave-function notation as well.

Suppose we have two identical bosons n = 1, 2 with spin zero (b/c that's a very simple example). Suppose these two bosons are in states u and v with wave functions u(r) and v(r). Then symmetrization for bosons says that we cannot know that "particle 1 is in state u and particle 2 is in state v"; instead we have "one particle in state u and another particle in state v". Note the difference: we do not know which particle is in which state.

So instead of having a wave function

ψ(r1, r2) = u(r1) v(2)

where we know which particle (1, 2) is in which state (u, v) we have

ψ(r1, r2) = u(r1) v(2) + v(r1) u(2)

This is the mathematical expression for two particles in a state (u, v) w/o saying which particle is in which state.

This ψ describes an entangled pair.
 
...and for two (spin-0) bosons of the same kind the wave function MUST be in this state, which is symmetric under the operation of interchanging the particles, because there is nothing that can distinguish between the two individual particles (except they are different in at least one intrinsic quantum number like charge and/or mass). In this sense identical bosons are always entangled.
 
Thanks Tom and Vanhees, great answers.

is there some equation/mathematical treatment that shows:

coherence must necessarily decrease when entanglement is increased...?
or vice versa
 

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