Ways to Lighten Things: Ideas for Moving Objects

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around methods to lighten objects while in motion, particularly in the context of bicycles and other scenarios. Participants explore various ideas, including the use of materials, buoyancy, and creative engineering solutions.

Discussion Character

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  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests removing parts of an object to reduce weight, emphasizing the importance of minimizing weight during the design stage.
  • Another participant shares an anecdote about using helium-filled balloons to assist a friend in a wheelchair, demonstrating a practical application of buoyancy to lighten the load.
  • Some participants argue that to lighten a bicycle while in motion, one would typically need to use lighter materials, although this does not address the need for on-the-fly weight reduction.
  • Several creative ideas are proposed for achieving weight reduction, such as using hot-air balloons, rockets, or surgical tools, but these solutions are noted to increase overall mass initially.
  • It is mentioned that countering gravity is necessary to make an object feel lighter, with examples like wings on planes and buoyancy from gases.
  • A participant concludes that using lighter materials is a feasible approach, acknowledging the challenges of creating buoyancy or pressure differences in bicycle designs.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree that reducing weight while in motion is challenging and often requires removing parts or counteracting gravity. However, there are multiple competing views on how to achieve this, and the discussion remains unresolved regarding practical implementations.

Contextual Notes

Some participants highlight the limitations of their suggestions, noting that many proposed solutions would increase the overall mass before any weight reduction could occur. Additionally, the effectiveness of buoyancy forces in practical applications is questioned.

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Got any idea that can make a things lighter while it is moving? Like making a thing lighter on bicycle so that we can save more energy
 
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Remove bits and throw them away.

Usually you try to minimize things like weight during the design stage - i.e. before you start moving.
 
Our friend who is confined to a wheelchair said he’d love to go with us into the Angeles National Forest on a weekend hike. Since we are all engineers we made a plan to “lighten the load”. We got several heavy-duty weather balloons, some strong nylon net, fashioned a helium-filled lifting body, and attached it to his wheelchair. When we arrived at the trail we added helium from a chair-mounted tank to the balloons until his total weight was around twenty pounds. We then carried him along on our trek through the wilderness. As we traveled further we added more helium to the balloons to make him even lighter. Our friend enjoyed his day in the wilderness.

Cheers,
Bobbywhy
 
@bobbywhy: LOL
 
Roflmao that's one way to lighten the load lol
 
@Apache: you are getting funny answers because you presumably know already that to lighten the bike you need to use light materials ... thus: your question is too general.
If you tell us what you are trying to do in more detail it may help. What is the actual problem you are trying to solve? i.e. what are you anticipating happening while the bike is moving that would require you to make it lighter on the fly like that?

Everything I can think of would make the bike more massive overall.
i.e.
you could include a hot-air balloon and burner ... when you need to be lighter, switch the burner on or drop sand-bags;
attach rockets where the carrier bags go - then you can lose mass and gain momentum too;
(for that matter - any engine will have you lose mass turning fuel into exhaust);
install ejector seat - remove that heavy pillion passenger (or the driver) at the press of a button;
carry tools - then you can cut off, drill out, and unbolt inconvenient bits ... if you include surgical tools the rider can be included in this;
... all these things add to the start mass so I'm guessing it's not the sort of thing you want.
 
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In line with what everyone else is saying:

You can't reduce the mass of a thing without removing some of it's parts (like a hot air balloon dropping sand bags) so the only way to make something weigh less, is to counter the force of gravity acting on it. Planes do this with wings, Balloons do this with low-density gasses (or reducing the density of a gas via temperature change) to create a boyancy force.
 
Finally I reduce my weight by using lighter materials yet affordable price for my design..
since it is hard to create buoyancy force or any pressure difference between my devices on my bicycle!
Thanks you all!
 

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