What Are Matter, Energy, and Space in Our Physical Universe?

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The discussion revolves around the concepts of matter, energy, and space within the physical universe. Participants explore the nature of space, its relationship with matter and energy, and the implications of theories such as string theory. The conversation includes both conceptual inquiries and speculative ideas about the limits of space and the smallest measurable points within it.

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  • Exploratory
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions the nature of space, asking if it divides everything and what the physical components of the universe are in relation to matter, energy, and space.
  • Another suggests that space is desired for the application of energy to move matter, indicating a functional perspective on space.
  • A participant inquires about the smallest measurable point in space, raising the possibility of infinite divisibility.
  • One participant references string theory as potentially defining a smallest point in space, though this is not universally accepted.
  • Another claims that while no lower limit for space has been established, some theories propose the Planck length as a minimum, noting the challenges in testing this due to energy constraints.
  • There is a discussion about the nature of "empty space," with a participant suggesting that it is defined by the probability of finding matter rather than being truly empty.
  • A participant shares a metaphorical idea about creatures living on a balloon, suggesting that their perception of space might be limited, which raises questions about the nature of dimensions and infinity.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express various viewpoints regarding the nature of space and its relationship to matter and energy, with no consensus reached on the limits of space or the smallest measurable point. The discussion remains unresolved with competing ideas and interpretations.

Contextual Notes

Participants express uncertainty about the definitions and implications of concepts like "empty space" and the smallest measurable points, indicating that the discussion is dependent on theoretical frameworks that may not be universally accepted or fully understood.

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Someone told me that if Earth was a black hole it would be the size of an apple, if matter can be squeesed down to this point than what is every thing that we interact with every thing around us, empty space?
I was thinking, there is space around earth, inside earth, around my house, inside my house, around this apple, inside this apple, space around those atoms in this apple, space inside those atoms, space around those particles inside those atoms. so space is around and inn every thing.
is there a point where space don't pass or does space divide every thing?
what is the physical part of the universe and what is the difference between matter, energy and space?
for some of you this question maybe obvious but I'm having trouble comprehending it.
 
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Space is that which most of us want more of so that we can apply energy to and thereby move matter (objects including ourselves) to places in space that we perfer them to be?
 
what is the smallest point in space how deep can it be measured how deep can it go is it infinite is it infinitely small?
 
I am not surtin but I believe string theory states a smallest point.
 
for the time being no low limit was found for space, it contiuos as far as we know, but some theories suggest plank length as the smallest length, we are far from having enough energy to check this though...
and by the way.. because you don't actualy have particles at a specific point, "empty space" is just where the probability to find matter is low.
an electron bound to a nuclei is actually almost everywhere, but the probabily to find it around some distance is much greater then in others...
 
ok thanks for your explanations, but empty space, empty space haw deep can it go is there a limit or is it infinite?
 
many years ago i have read smt about spaceshape i don't know it is refuted or not. anyway...
he was saying that we are like little creatures living on a balloon (actually in the plastic part not outside or inside) so the creatures are not aware of the 3 dim or highest dimensions if they decide to go end of the world they will reach to the same point but they are so small so they couldn't do
therefore they will believe their space is infinite...
i couldn't remember the details and unfortunately the name of the writer
 

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