What Are Some Options for High Frequency EMF Meters?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the quest for high-frequency electromagnetic field (EMF) meters capable of detecting electromagnetic waves below the visible spectrum, specifically up to 100 THz. Participants explore the feasibility of measuring various types of radiation, the limitations of available instruments, and the complexity of the electromagnetic spectrum.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses a desire to detect all electromagnetic waves under the visible spectrum to increase awareness of surrounding radiation.
  • Another participant suggests using a bolometer for detection, questioning the purpose of measuring radiation that is already known to be emitted from objects at room temperature.
  • Concerns are raised about the practicality of detecting all EM radiation with a single instrument, noting the need for multiple specialized instruments across different frequency ranges.
  • A participant mentions the high cost and complexity of the necessary equipment, indicating that serious measurements require several spectrum analyzers and antenna systems, costing several hundred thousand dollars.
  • There is a discussion about the energy of photons and the units of measurement, with some participants seeking clarification on the relationship between energy and the measurements being taken.
  • One participant expresses a personal interest in the measurements but is hesitant to disclose their reasons publicly, suggesting a preference for private communication.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the feasibility of measuring all EM radiation with a single instrument, and there are multiple competing views regarding the practicality and necessity of such measurements.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include the undefined nature of the original question, the dependence on specific instruments for different frequency ranges, and the complexity of EM radiation behavior across various frequencies.

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Looking for emf meters, none detect up to my required frequency.
Hello all,

I don't know if this is the correct place to post, but I'm looking to detect all electromagnetic waves around me that have a frequency that is under the visible spectrum. The reason is to try and get some kind of idea of what kind of radiation is around me, so that I can be more aware of my surroundings.

I tried looking for emf detectors but none can read anything that's over a few GHz. My requirement is atleast upto 100 THz. I am willing to buy multiple meters to cover the entire range if necessary, but I have no clue how to start looking.
 
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It is not a very well defined question.
100 THz is up into the infrared meaning some of that "radiation" will come from everything in your room radiating heat. Sure, you can detect this with a bolometer, but what is the point? You already know that your room will be around 300K (about 23 degrees C) so will emit 300K radiation...
Detecting "all EM radiation" with single instrument is not possible: at the low frequency end you will have things like 50Hz/60Hz (depending on where you live)magnetic fields from electrical equipment and at the high end just thermal radiation.
There is no single instrument that can detect the whole range (you would need LOTS of instruments for this), and for some of this range you will need some some very , very specialised kit (200-1500 GHz is especially tricky)

Moreover. the way the EM radiation behaves and interact is very, very different so it makes no sense to try to be "aware" of it all in the same way.

It might help if you explained a bit more what it is you are trying to do.
 
Baluncore said:
What units of energy will you use, joules/octave ?
You can do much of that with a bolometer.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bolometer
I don't know what Ocatve is, so I would prefer joules. However I thought the meter would read just field strength and intensity at certain frequencies? What would the energy be, of the photons?
 
f95toli said:
It is not a very well defined question.
100 THz is up into the infrared meaning some of that "radiation" will come from everything in your room radiating heat. Sure, you can detect this with a bolometer, but what is the point? You already know that your room will be around 300K (about 23 degrees C) so will emit 300K radiation...
Detecting "all EM radiation" with single instrument is not possible: at the low frequency end you will have things like 50Hz/60Hz (depending on where you live)magnetic fields from electrical equipment and at the high end just thermal radiation.
There is no single instrument that can detect the whole range (you would need LOTS of instruments for this), and for some of this range you will need some some very , very specialised kit (200-1500 GHz is especially tricky)

Moreover. the way the EM radiation behaves and interact is very, very different so it makes no sense to try to be "aware" of it all in the same way.

It might help if you explained a bit more what it is you are trying to do.

I don't really want to get into the reason. Its very personal to me. About how many instruments do you think I will need to measure everything under visible? What is the range of a bolometer? All infrared?
 
rtareen said:
About how many instruments do you think I will need to measure everything under visible?
I do this type of work fairly frequently. It requires several different spectrum analyzers, antenna systems and preamps. Total cost is several $100,000 at least. That's why we use local test labs to do this type of testing. If you are serious about doing this and are wealthy, I can provide contact information for the labs that we use.

BTW, this equipment is not real portable, unless you want to try to rent time from military SIGINT folks...
 
berkeman said:
I do this type of work fairly frequently. It requires several different spectrum analyzers, antenna systems and preamps. Total cost is several $100,000 at least. That's why we use local test labs to do this type of testing. If you are serious about doing this and are wealthy, I can provide contact information for the labs that we use.

BTW, this equipment is not real portable, unless you want to try to rent time from military SIGINT folks...

Can I ping you in direct messages?
 
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rtareen said:
Can I ping you in direct messages?
Normally we prefer that discussions happen in the open forums, but if you want to confide in me what your particular application/concern is, that would be appropriate for a private message (PM). Just click on my avatar and select "Start a Conversation".
 
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berkeman said:
Normally we prefer that discussions happen in the open forums, but if you want to confide in me what your particular application/concern is, that would be appropriate for a private message (PM). Just click on my avatar and select "Start a Conversation".

Well what I was going to say was that while I cannot afford that price at the moment, hopefully in the future I will be able to. And then I was going to ask you where I can find my local testing lab. Or if not local, what are the names of some of these larger labs? If you really want to know why I want to do this I can tell you that in the PM.
 

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