What are the applications of homology in understanding spaces and shapes?

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The discussion revolves around the applications of homology in understanding spaces and shapes, particularly focusing on how different types of curves and spaces can be analyzed using homological methods. Participants explore the implications of homology for various geometrical and topological constructs.

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  • One participant notes that homology studies holes in spaces, using examples like circles and spheres, and questions whether a half-circle can be analyzed using homology.
  • Another participant emphasizes the importance of defining the nature of the curve before determining the appropriate methods for analysis, suggesting various mathematical approaches such as topology and algebraic topology.
  • A further contribution discusses the concept of singular chains and relative homology groups, indicating that a non-closed curve can still be represented in homology if its boundary is defined within a subspace.
  • Another participant highlights the need to define cycle and boundary groups at different dimensions, mentioning that an open arc is contractible and thus has trivial homology groups, while noting the complexity of studying certain spaces without clear geometric properties.

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Participants express differing views on how to approach the analysis of various curves and spaces using homology, indicating that there is no consensus on a singular method or interpretation. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the best way to define and analyze non-closed curves in the context of homology.

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Participants mention the dependence on definitions and the properties of the spaces being studied, indicating that the analysis may vary significantly based on these factors. There are unresolved aspects regarding the mathematical steps involved in applying homology to different types of spaces.

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Hello there.This is about homology.In homology as I know we also study holes in spaces, so a circle has a hole, so does a sphere but quite differently.If we have half a circle or a somehow not quite closed curve but almost closed curve could we study it with groups or something like homology?Thank you.
 
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You would examine it with the methods which represent the structural aspects you are interested in:
  • topology
  • algebraic topology
  • analysis
  • geometry
  • differential geometry
and additional methods like group actions dependent on these approaches. There is no answer until you settled what this curve is to you:
  • a one dimensional space
  • a connected, retractable space
  • a graph of a function
  • a segment of a circle
  • a curved space
The properties you are interested in determine the method, not the object itself.
 
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If you have a singular chain ##\sigma\in C_n(X)##, not necessarily closed (as your "half circle" isn't), but its boundary is a chain in a subspace ##A\subset X##, then you can view ##\sigma## as representing a class in the relative homology group ##H_n(X,A).##

There is a similar notion for relative homotopy groups, where elements of ##\pi_n(X,A)## are (based) homotopy classes of maps ##(D^n,\partial D^n)\to (X,A)## such that ##\partial D^n## is mapped to ##A## throughout the homotopy.
 
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It comes down ultimately to defining your cycle group, boundary group of the space at each "level" /dimension. That given, the factor n-groups will define the nth homology. An open arc as I understood you meant is contractible so all its homology groups are trivial. Harder, I would think is to study spaces like Gl(n, R), speces of continuous maps, etc., without any obvious geometry that I can tell.
 

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