What Are the Orbiting Objects Around Luhman 16AB Called?

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The discussion centers on the terminology used to describe objects that are likely in orbit around the binary brown dwarf pair Luhman 16AB. Participants explore various labels, considering the unique status of brown dwarfs as intermediate between planets and stars. The conversation includes references to definitions from the International Astronomical Union (IAU) and interpretations of scientific literature.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses uncertainty about the correct label for orbiting objects around brown dwarfs, noting that terms like "moon" or "planet" may not apply.
  • Another participant suggests "satellites" as a generic term that accurately describes any object in orbit.
  • A different viewpoint indicates that "planet" is the most commonly used term based on a quick search.
  • Reference to IAU definitions raises the possibility that these objects could be classified as "minor planets," although this remains uncertain.
  • One participant cites a paper that refers to the orbiting object as a "planet," proposing that the definitions for exoplanets might align with those for planets in the solar system.
  • A later reply discusses the transition of a brown dwarf to a giant gas planet, suggesting that objects in orbit would then be considered "moons," while maintaining that "satellite" remains a valid term.

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Participants do not reach a consensus on the appropriate terminology for orbiting objects around brown dwarfs. Multiple competing views are presented, with some favoring "satellite," others "planet," and a few considering "moon" under specific conditions.

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The discussion reflects varying interpretations of definitions from the IAU and scientific literature, highlighting the ambiguity in classifying celestial objects in relation to brown dwarfs. There is also mention of the conditions under which a brown dwarf's classification might change, affecting the terminology for its orbiting objects.

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I have been reading up on the latest Hubble observations concerning the binary brown dwarf pair Luhman 16AB (officially WISE J104915.57-531906.1AB). It occurred to me that I did not know what to call the objects that most likely are in orbit around both brown dwarfs. Since brown dwarfs are more than a planet, but less than a star, neither moon nor planet seem to apply. I am not trying to be controversial, I honestly do not know the correct label for objects that obit brown dwarfs. Can anyone help me out?


Luhman 16AB

Recent sources I've been reading:
Hubble Space Telescope astrometry of the closest brown dwarf binary system -- I. Overview and improved orbit - arXiv 1706.00657
New Looks at Brown Dwarfs - Centauri Dreams, June 13, 2017
 
Astronomy news on Phys.org
'Satellites'?
 
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A quick glance through Google suggests that 'planet' is the most commonly used term.
 
I tried the IAU: https://www.iau.org/public/themes/naming/#minorplanets
This has the definition of minor planets, which those objects could well be. But I do not know for sure, either.

I think IAU is supposed to have a complete sets of definitions... So logically if it is a complete set of definitions, then one of them matches. Hmm.
 
Bandersnatch said:
'Satellites'?
"Satellite" seems like as good of a generic term as any. At least it is an accurate description, without delving into what the object might be. Satellite could apply to anything that is in orbit.
 
In this paper in nature they say "planet".
our favored model for this event is that it is a low-mass star or brown dwarf orbited by a planet of about Neptune’s mass.

jim mcnamara said:
I tried the IAU: https://www.iau.org/public/themes/naming/#minorplanets
This has the definition of minor planets, which those objects could well be. But I do not know for sure, either.

I think IAU is supposed to have a complete sets of definitions... So logically if it is a complete set of definitions, then one of them matches. Hmm.
Definition of a planet in the solar system:
1) A planet is a celestial body that
(a)is in orbit around the Sun,
(b)has sufficient mass for its self-gravity to overcome rigid body forces so that it assumes a hydrostatic equilibrium (nearly round) shape,
and
(c)has cleared the neighborhood around its orbit

Definition of planets outside should be the similar. I believe the IAU does not have stance on the designation of any exoplanets. Any object large enough to be identified with current technology will also be large enough to form hydrostatic equilibrium and to clear the neighborhood. So it is an "exoplanet".
A "minor planet" is too small to form hydrostatic equilibrium and is not a "comet". All things in the solar system held together by gravity are either "planet", "dwarf planet", "minor planet" or "comet".
 
In a recent thread concerning the Brown Dwarf Minimum Mass I seem to have stumbled upon the answer to my question in this thread.

A brown dwarf is only a brown dwarf while it is able to maintain an internal core temperature between 106 °K and 107 °K. Should the core temperature of the brown dwarf fall below 106 °K, such as after it has fused all of its deuterium/lithium, then it ceases to be a brown dwarf and becomes a giant gas planet. In which case, any object in orbit around a "dead" brown dwarf would be considered a "moon."

Since the label of the objects in orbit around a star does not change when the star "dies" and becomes either a white dwarf, neutron star, or black hole, then the label of the objects in orbit around a brown dwarf should not change when the brown dwarf eventually "dies" and becomes a giant gas planet. Hence, the answer to my question appears to be "moon." Satellite, naturally, still works in a more generic sense.
 

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