What Are the Pros and Cons of Energy Recuperation in Vehicles?

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The discussion revolves around the pros and cons of energy recuperation in vehicles, focusing on its advantages and disadvantages in terms of efficiency, environmental impact, and design considerations. Participants explore both theoretical and practical implications of energy recuperation systems in automotive applications.

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  • Some participants highlight advantages such as optimization of fuel consumption and lower emissions of CO2 and NOx.
  • Others mention improved efficiency in stop-and-go traffic and quieter operation in electric-only mode as additional benefits.
  • Concerns are raised regarding disadvantages, including increased vehicle weight, higher production costs, environmental impacts of battery materials, and potentially higher maintenance costs.
  • One participant suggests that some disadvantages could be mitigated over time with proper utilization.
  • Another participant points out that the energy density of fossil fuels presents a significant challenge for all-electric vehicles compared to rechargeable batteries.
  • Discussion includes the potential for hybrid designs to optimize internal combustion engines (ICE) for battery topping and the implications of decoupling ICE operation from vehicle speed.
  • Concerns about production costs being influenced by the scale of production and the reliance on expensive materials for batteries and electric motors are also mentioned.

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Participants express a mix of agreement and disagreement regarding the advantages and disadvantages of energy recuperation. Some acknowledge the potential benefits while others challenge the feasibility of overcoming the stated disadvantages.

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The discussion reflects varying assumptions about the current state of technology and the future of energy recuperation systems, including the impact of design choices on efficiency and cost.

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Well, the basic advantages of energy recuperation in vehicles include
  1. optimization of fuel consumption
  2. lower CO2 and NOx emissions

Are there any other advantages that needs to be highlighted? Also, please mention the disadvantages of energy recuperation (if any)

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Advantages:
  • better efficiency in stop-and-go traffic. That's what they are designed for, after all.
  • Quieter in electric-only operation. (although some people consider this a danger).
  • Future designs may optimize the ICE for just topping up the batteries and using electric-only to accelerate the vehicle. Train have been running like this for several decades.
  • Hybrid designs may also prepare the way for alternative ways of topping up the battery, e.g. fuel cells.
Disadvantages:
  • Increases vehicle weight.
  • Higher production cost
  • Environmental impact of materials used in e.g. NiMH batteries.
  • Potentially higher maintenance costs.
No advantage if just cruising along without stopping.

 
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Thnx for the reply. However, can only partly agree with your disadvantages. 1, 2, 4 could actually be overcome on long run if utilized properly.
 
Maybe yes, maybe no. These are disadvantages of the existing designs.

The energy density of fossil fuels is much much higher than any rechargeable battery on the market or under development. This makes big and batteries heavy and is the main stumbling block for all-electrical vehicles.

Hybrids still need to buffer serious amounts of electrical energy. On top of that they need to carry the generator and ICE or other means of generating power.

In present hybrids the ICE still drives the wheels via the usual gear box etc. If the ICE drives only a generator, then one could loose the gear box and one would have much more flexibility in operating the ICE at its maximum efficiency RPM - the speed of the ICE is completely decoupled from the speed of the car/wheels. The weight of the generator is probably comparable to that of the gear box, so not much gained/lost here. One would probably need larger electric motors as all the power accelerating the car will come from them. If 4 motors are put directly on the wheels then no more differentials are needed, saving some weight. Direct traction control of each wheel would be easy, as you can power each motor independently.

Production cost is of course a function of the number of cars sold. On the other hand batteries and high-efficiency electric motors do rely on exotic materials that are expensive.
 

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