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The discussion focuses on solving the differential equation y'(x) + 5y(x) = e^{-x} using the Laplace transform. The key point is determining the restrictions on the variable s, which must have a real part greater than -1 for the inverse Laplace transform to exist. This requirement arises from the convergence conditions of the integrals involved in the Laplace transform. Participants also discuss the decomposition of Y(s) using partial fractions and how to express the solution y(x) in terms of the inverse Laplace transform. The conversation concludes with clarification on the relationship between Y(s) and the individual components of the solution.
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Hello! :D
I have to find the solution of the equation y'(x)+5y(x)=e^{-x} , 0<x<\infty , y(0)=2 , using the Laplace transform.
That's what I have done so far:
$$L\{y'(x)+5y(x)\}=L\{e^{-x}\}$$
$$L\{y'(x)\}+5L\{y(x)\}=L\{e^{-x}\}$$
$$sY(s)-y(0)+5Y(s)=\frac{1}{s+1}$$
$$Y(s)=\frac{2s+3}{(s+1)(s+5)}$$

But...which are the restrictions for s?How can I find them? :confused:
 
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I'm not sure what you mean by restrictions on $s$.

But the next step would be to decompose $Y(s)$ using partial fractions in order to find the inverse Laplace transform of $Y(s)$ (i.e., y(x)).
 
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Random Variable said:
I'm not sure what you mean by restrictions on $s$.

But the next step would be to decompose $Y(s)$ using partial fractions to find the inverse Laplace transform of $Y(s)$ (i.e., y(x)).

Should (s+1)(s+5) be greater than 0?
 
Re: Question-Laplace trasform

evinda said:
Should (s+1)(s+5) be greater than 0?

I found that Y(s)=\frac{1}{4}\frac{1}{s+1}+\frac{7}{4}\frac{1}{s+5}.

But,before that,do I have to write what $s $should satisfy?
 
Re: Question-Laplace trasform

Then you would probably want the real part of $s$ to be greater than $-1$ so that both ILT exist.
 
Re: Question-Laplace trasform

Random Variable said:
Then you would probably want the real part of $s$ to be greater than $-1$ so that both ILT exist.

And how can I explain it,why it should be like that? :confused:
 
Re: Question-Laplace trasform

You can tell by where the LT has singularities.

Otherwise notice that the Laplace transform of $\displaystyle e^{-x}$ is $ \displaystyle \frac{1}{s+1}$.

But $ \displaystyle \int_{0}^{\infty} e^{-x} e^{-sx} \ dx = \int_{0}^{\infty} e^{-(1+s) x} \ dx $ converges only when $s > -1 $.Similarly the Laplace transform of $e^{-5x}$ is $\displaystyle \frac{1}{s+5}$.

But $ \displaystyle \int_{0}^{\infty} e^{-5x} e^{-sx} \ dx = \int_{0}^{\infty} e^{-(5+s) x} \ dx $ converges only when $s > -5 $.So if you want both transforms to exist at the same time, then $s$ should be greater than $-1$.
 
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Random Variable said:
You can tell by where the ILT has singularities.

Otherwise notice that the Laplace transform of $\displaystyle e^{-x}$ is $ \displaystyle \frac{1}{s+1}$.

But $ \displaystyle \int_{0}^{\infty} e^{-x} e^{-sx} \ dx - \int_{0}^{\infty} e^{-(1+s) x} \ dx $ converges only when $s > -1 $.Similarly the Laplace transform of $e^{-5x}$ is $\displaystyle \frac{1}{s+5}$.

But $ \displaystyle \int_{0}^{\infty} e^{-5x} e^{-sx} \ dx - \int_{0}^{\infty} e^{-(5+s) x} \ dx $ converges only when $s > -5 $.So if you want both transforms to exist at the same time, then $s$ (or technically the real part of $s$) should be greater than $-1$.
I understand..thanks for your answer!And $\int_{0}^{\infty} e^{-(1+s) x} \ dx $ is equal to $\left [\frac{e^{-(s+1)x}}{-(s+1)} \right ]_{0}^{M},M\to \infty=\frac{1}{s+1} $ .Right?
 
Yes.

And those minus signs in my previous post should be equal signs.
 
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Random Variable said:
Yes.

And those minus signs in my previous post should be equal signs.

Nice..Thank you very much! :)
 
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I have also an other question.Do we conclude that $Y(s)=\frac{1}{4}L\{y_{1}(x)\}+\frac{7}{4}L\{y_{2}(x)\}$ ,or is $\frac{1}{4}L\{y_{1}(x)\}+\frac{7}{4}L\{y_{2}(x)\}$ equal to Y(x) or something else? :confused::confused:
 
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evinda said:
I have also an other question.Do we conclude that $Y(s)=\frac{1}{4}L\{y_{1}(x)\}+\frac{7}{4}L\{y_{2}(x)\}$ ,or is $\frac{1}{4}L\{y_{1}(x)\}+\frac{7}{4}L\{y_{2}(x)\}$ equal to Y(x) or something else? :confused::confused:

Or,is it like that $$Y(s)=\frac{1}{4}L\{y_{1}(x)\}+\frac{7}{4}L\{y_{2}(x)\}$$
$$L^{-1}\{Y(s)\}=L^{-1}\{\frac{1}{4}L\{y_{1}(x)\}+\frac{7}{4}L\{y_{2}(x)\}\}$$ ??
 
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evinda said:
I have also an other question.Do we conclude that $Y(s)=\frac{1}{4}L\{y_{1}(x)\}+\frac{7}{4}L\{y_{2}(x)\}$ ,or is $\frac{1}{4}L\{y_{1}(x)\}+\frac{7}{4}L\{y_{2}(x)\}$ equal to Y(x) or something else? :confused::confused:

evinda said:
Or,is it like that $$Y(s)=\frac{1}{4}L\{y_{1}(x)\}+\frac{7}{4}L\{y_{2}(x)\}$$
$$L^{-1}\{Y(s)\}=L^{-1}\{\frac{1}{4}L\{y_{1}(x)\}+\frac{7}{4}L\{y_{2}(x)\}\}$$ ??

Let's pick
$$y(x) = \mathcal L^{-1}\{Y(s)\} = \frac{1}{4}\mathcal L^{-1}\left\{\frac 1 {s+1}\right\}+\frac{7}{4}\mathcal L^{-1}\left\{\frac 1 {s+5}\right\}$$
 
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I like Serena said:
Let's pick
$$y(x) = \mathcal L^{-1}\{Y(s)\} = \frac{1}{4}\mathcal L^{-1}\left\{\frac 1 {s+1}\right\}+\frac{7}{4}\mathcal L^{-1}\left\{\frac 1 {s+5}\right\}$$

I understand..Thank you very much! :o
 

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