What are the restrictions for s and how to find them in Laplace transform?

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The discussion revolves around the application of the Laplace transform to solve a differential equation, specifically focusing on identifying the restrictions for the variable \( s \) in the context of the Laplace transform's existence and the inverse transform. Participants explore the conditions under which the Laplace transform and its inverse are valid, as well as the implications of these conditions on the solution of the equation.

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  • Technical explanation, Conceptual clarification, Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents a differential equation and applies the Laplace transform, seeking to understand the restrictions on \( s \).
  • Several participants express uncertainty about what is meant by "restrictions on \( s \)" and suggest that the next step involves partial fraction decomposition of \( Y(s) \).
  • Some participants propose that the product \( (s+1)(s+5) \) should be greater than 0, indicating a potential condition for \( s \).
  • Another participant suggests that the real part of \( s \) should be greater than \( -1 \) for the inverse Laplace transform to exist.
  • Discussions include the convergence of integrals related to the Laplace transform, with references to the conditions under which these integrals converge.
  • Participants also discuss the relationship between \( Y(s) \) and the inverse Laplace transform, questioning how to express \( Y(s) \) in terms of the inverse transforms of its components.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

There is no consensus on the exact nature of the restrictions for \( s \), though some participants agree on the condition that the real part of \( s \) should be greater than \( -1 \) for the transforms to exist. Multiple viewpoints regarding the interpretation of \( Y(s) \) and its components also remain unresolved.

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Participants mention the importance of singularities in the Laplace transform and the convergence of integrals, but the discussion does not resolve the specific mathematical steps or assumptions that lead to these conclusions.

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Hello! :D
I have to find the solution of the equation y'(x)+5y(x)=e^{-x} , 0<x<\infty , y(0)=2 , using the Laplace transform.
That's what I have done so far:
$$L\{y'(x)+5y(x)\}=L\{e^{-x}\}$$
$$L\{y'(x)\}+5L\{y(x)\}=L\{e^{-x}\}$$
$$sY(s)-y(0)+5Y(s)=\frac{1}{s+1}$$
$$Y(s)=\frac{2s+3}{(s+1)(s+5)}$$

But...which are the restrictions for s?How can I find them? :confused:
 
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Re: Question-Laplace trasform

I'm not sure what you mean by restrictions on $s$.

But the next step would be to decompose $Y(s)$ using partial fractions in order to find the inverse Laplace transform of $Y(s)$ (i.e., y(x)).
 
Re: Question-Laplace trasform

Random Variable said:
I'm not sure what you mean by restrictions on $s$.

But the next step would be to decompose $Y(s)$ using partial fractions to find the inverse Laplace transform of $Y(s)$ (i.e., y(x)).

Should (s+1)(s+5) be greater than 0?
 
Re: Question-Laplace trasform

evinda said:
Should (s+1)(s+5) be greater than 0?

I found that Y(s)=\frac{1}{4}\frac{1}{s+1}+\frac{7}{4}\frac{1}{s+5}.

But,before that,do I have to write what $s $should satisfy?
 
Re: Question-Laplace trasform

Then you would probably want the real part of $s$ to be greater than $-1$ so that both ILT exist.
 
Re: Question-Laplace trasform

Random Variable said:
Then you would probably want the real part of $s$ to be greater than $-1$ so that both ILT exist.

And how can I explain it,why it should be like that? :confused:
 
Re: Question-Laplace trasform

You can tell by where the LT has singularities.

Otherwise notice that the Laplace transform of $\displaystyle e^{-x}$ is $ \displaystyle \frac{1}{s+1}$.

But $ \displaystyle \int_{0}^{\infty} e^{-x} e^{-sx} \ dx = \int_{0}^{\infty} e^{-(1+s) x} \ dx $ converges only when $s > -1 $.Similarly the Laplace transform of $e^{-5x}$ is $\displaystyle \frac{1}{s+5}$.

But $ \displaystyle \int_{0}^{\infty} e^{-5x} e^{-sx} \ dx = \int_{0}^{\infty} e^{-(5+s) x} \ dx $ converges only when $s > -5 $.So if you want both transforms to exist at the same time, then $s$ should be greater than $-1$.
 
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Re: Question-Laplace trasform

Random Variable said:
You can tell by where the ILT has singularities.

Otherwise notice that the Laplace transform of $\displaystyle e^{-x}$ is $ \displaystyle \frac{1}{s+1}$.

But $ \displaystyle \int_{0}^{\infty} e^{-x} e^{-sx} \ dx - \int_{0}^{\infty} e^{-(1+s) x} \ dx $ converges only when $s > -1 $.Similarly the Laplace transform of $e^{-5x}$ is $\displaystyle \frac{1}{s+5}$.

But $ \displaystyle \int_{0}^{\infty} e^{-5x} e^{-sx} \ dx - \int_{0}^{\infty} e^{-(5+s) x} \ dx $ converges only when $s > -5 $.So if you want both transforms to exist at the same time, then $s$ (or technically the real part of $s$) should be greater than $-1$.
I understand..thanks for your answer!And $\int_{0}^{\infty} e^{-(1+s) x} \ dx $ is equal to $\left [\frac{e^{-(s+1)x}}{-(s+1)} \right ]_{0}^{M},M\to \infty=\frac{1}{s+1} $ .Right?
 
Yes.

And those minus signs in my previous post should be equal signs.
 
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Random Variable said:
Yes.

And those minus signs in my previous post should be equal signs.

Nice..Thank you very much! :)
 
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I have also an other question.Do we conclude that $Y(s)=\frac{1}{4}L\{y_{1}(x)\}+\frac{7}{4}L\{y_{2}(x)\}$ ,or is $\frac{1}{4}L\{y_{1}(x)\}+\frac{7}{4}L\{y_{2}(x)\}$ equal to Y(x) or something else? :confused::confused:
 
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evinda said:
I have also an other question.Do we conclude that $Y(s)=\frac{1}{4}L\{y_{1}(x)\}+\frac{7}{4}L\{y_{2}(x)\}$ ,or is $\frac{1}{4}L\{y_{1}(x)\}+\frac{7}{4}L\{y_{2}(x)\}$ equal to Y(x) or something else? :confused::confused:

Or,is it like that $$Y(s)=\frac{1}{4}L\{y_{1}(x)\}+\frac{7}{4}L\{y_{2}(x)\}$$
$$L^{-1}\{Y(s)\}=L^{-1}\{\frac{1}{4}L\{y_{1}(x)\}+\frac{7}{4}L\{y_{2}(x)\}\}$$ ??
 
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evinda said:
I have also an other question.Do we conclude that $Y(s)=\frac{1}{4}L\{y_{1}(x)\}+\frac{7}{4}L\{y_{2}(x)\}$ ,or is $\frac{1}{4}L\{y_{1}(x)\}+\frac{7}{4}L\{y_{2}(x)\}$ equal to Y(x) or something else? :confused::confused:

evinda said:
Or,is it like that $$Y(s)=\frac{1}{4}L\{y_{1}(x)\}+\frac{7}{4}L\{y_{2}(x)\}$$
$$L^{-1}\{Y(s)\}=L^{-1}\{\frac{1}{4}L\{y_{1}(x)\}+\frac{7}{4}L\{y_{2}(x)\}\}$$ ??

Let's pick
$$y(x) = \mathcal L^{-1}\{Y(s)\} = \frac{1}{4}\mathcal L^{-1}\left\{\frac 1 {s+1}\right\}+\frac{7}{4}\mathcal L^{-1}\left\{\frac 1 {s+5}\right\}$$
 
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I like Serena said:
Let's pick
$$y(x) = \mathcal L^{-1}\{Y(s)\} = \frac{1}{4}\mathcal L^{-1}\left\{\frac 1 {s+1}\right\}+\frac{7}{4}\mathcal L^{-1}\left\{\frac 1 {s+5}\right\}$$

I understand..Thank you very much! :o
 

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