What can we say about the solution of this PDE?

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The discussion revolves around finding functions F(x,y) that satisfy a specific partial differential equation (PDE) involving the derivatives of F with respect to x and y. Participants explore the nature of the solutions, potential forms of F, and methods for solving the equation, including Taylor expansions and the method of characteristics.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that F could be a function of x+y, citing the example F = exp(x+y) as a solution.
  • Another participant proposes that any differentiable function F(x+y) might satisfy the equation.
  • A question is raised about whether F must necessarily be a function of x+y.
  • A participant introduces a change of variables (u=x+y, v=x-y) to show that F can be expressed as a function of u only, implying F is a function of x+y.
  • One participant points out a potential confusion regarding the right-hand side of the equation involving F(y,x) and provides an example to illustrate this point.
  • Another participant clarifies that the equation can be interpreted as stating that the function G(x,y) = ∂F/∂x is symmetric in x and y, leading to a general form for F involving an integral of G and an arbitrary function of y.
  • A later reply suggests considering the method of characteristics, indicating that solutions may propagate along certain curves, contingent on knowing some initial conditions.

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Participants express differing views on the nature of the solutions, particularly regarding whether F must be a function of x+y. The discussion includes both supportive arguments for this idea and challenges to it, indicating that no consensus has been reached.

Contextual Notes

Some participants note the complexity of the problem, including the need for specific initial conditions when applying the method of characteristics. There are also unresolved aspects regarding the implications of the symmetry of G and the role of the function H(y) in the general solution.

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Hello!
I would like to find some functions F(x,y) which satisfy the following equation

<br /> \frac{F(x,y)}{\partial x}=\frac{F(y,x)}{\partial y}<br />

For example this is obviously satisfied for the function
<br /> F= exp(x+y)<br />

I would like however to find the most general closed form solution.
Do you have any ideas?
Could it be that it has to be a function of x+y only for example?
I tried to get some info by taylor expansions but I was not so succesful.
 
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Consider any differentiable function F(x+y)
 
Does it have to be nececairly a function of x+y ?
 
Let u=x+y and v=x-y. Then F(x,y) can be re-written as F(u,v) and
\frac{\partial F}{\partial x} = \frac{\partial F}{\partial u} + \frac{\partial F}{\partial v}
\frac{\partial F}{\partial y} = \frac{\partial F}{\partial u} - \frac{\partial F}{\partial v}

So for these to be equal we get that \frac{\partial F}{\partial u} + \frac{\partial F}{\partial v}= \frac{\partial F}{\partial u} - \frac{\partial F}{\partial v}
which reduces to \frac{\partial F}{\partial v}=0

so F is a function of u only (i.e. F can be written as F(x+y))

This is a fairly common technique for finding the solutions to differential equations like this - divine what the answer should be then use a change of variables to prove it
 
Thank you both for your answers :)

BUT
look also that the function in the r.h.s. is not F(x,y) but F(y,x)
For example if
<br /> F(x,y)=\frac{x}{x+y}<br />
then
<br /> F(y,x)=\frac{y}{x+y}<br />
That's what confuses me.
 
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Ahhh, my mistake, I misread the question. Let's define
G(x,y) = \frac{\partial F(x,y)}{\partial x}

Then all the equation in the OP is saying is that
G(x,y)=G(y,x).

So G is any function which is symmetric in x and y. Then integrating w.r.t x says that
F(x,y) = \int G(x,y) dx + H(y)
integrate G with respect to the x variable. The "constant of integration" in this case is is a function which is constant in x, so can be any function of y.

An example of a solution:
Pick G(x,y) = x2+y2. Then F(x,y)=\frac{x^3}{3}+y^2x+H(y) where H(y) is any function you want.
 
Thanks for the help ;)
 
What about the method of characteristics? Have you tried that? that should tell you that the solution are propagated along certain curves (or in this case lines), You need to know some Cauchy data first though.
 

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