What Caused the Universe to Come Into Existence?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers around the question of what caused the universe to come into existence, exploring concepts related to energy conservation, the Big Bang theory, and the nature of existence prior to the universe. Participants express varying degrees of understanding and curiosity about these foundational topics in cosmology.

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  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions how energy can form itself and whether energy existed before the universe, expressing confusion about the implications of a finite universe with eternal energy.
  • Another participant asserts that there is no inconsistency regarding energy conservation, stating that the law only applies to the total energy of the universe and cannot be used to discuss energy before the universe existed.
  • Some participants express that the origin of the universe is still under investigation and that definitive answers may not be available.
  • There is a discussion about belief in the Big Bang theory, with one participant indicating that acceptance of the theory should be based on experimental evidence rather than belief or disbelief.
  • Another participant mentions that the cosmology section of the forum may provide further insights into these topics.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the nature of energy and its existence prior to the universe. There are competing views regarding the interpretation of energy conservation and the implications of the Big Bang theory.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights limitations in understanding the implications of energy conservation laws and the nature of existence prior to the universe, as well as the ongoing investigation into the origin of the universe.

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Hello.

First off, I'd like to mention that I'm new to this website, and I apologize if my question is in the wrong section of the forums.

That aside, I have a question that has been bugging me. I have a moderate understanding of physics, so please consider that when you go to answer my questions.

I hear that energy cannot be created or destroyed. I also hear that the universe is finite - that at some point, it came into existence. I find some inconsistencies with this...

First off, how can energy form itself? Of course humans cannot create energy, but how did the energy come to being? What, scientifically, made it? If it was never "created", then it must be eternal. However, eternal energy in a finite universe doesn't make sense. Did the energy exist before the universe was around? If so, how is that possible?

Not trying to sound rude or condescending; merely a question that has been bugging me, and I figured, no better place to get an answer than Physics Forums.

Thanks to those of you who have read this, and I'd very much appreciate an answer (just try not to make it go over my head).
 
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Welcome to PF, Ifrit.
You are correct that this is the proper place to ask such a question in expectation of legitimate answers. In this case, however, you won't likely get a definitive one. That is simply because the origin of the universe is still under investigation. The Astronomy dudes here will do everything that they can to bring you up to speed, but be aware that it's an open-ended study.
 
There is no inconsistency.

The law of conservation of energy ONLY says that the total energy of the universe is a constant. That means you can't use it to speak of energy before the universe existed.
 
The section you should read is the cosmology section.
 
Welcome to PF, Ifrit.
You are correct that this is the proper place to ask such a question in expectation of legitimate answers. In this case, however, you won't likely get a definitive one. That is simply because the origin of the universe is still under investigation. The Astronomy dudes here will do everything that they can to bring you up to speed, but be aware that it's an open-ended study.

Thanks for the welcome and for the answer. Just out of curiosity, do you believe in the Big Bang?

There is no inconsistency.

The law of conservation of energy ONLY says that the total energy of the universe is a constant. That means you can't use it to speak of energy before the universe existed.

Thanks for the answer. A few questions...

Can energy exist without the universe? If energy was present before the universe, what made it? A little confusing. :confused:

The section you should read is the cosmology section.

I'll take your advice. Thanks.
 
Ifrit said:
Thanks for the welcome and for the answer. Just out of curiosity, do you believe in the Big Bang?

You're welcome. Yes, I do. All available evidence points toward it. I don't understand it particularly well, since it's pretty much a mathematical field, but to the extent that I do, it certainly makes more sense than any supernatural explanation.
 
Ifrit said:
Just out of curiosity, do you believe in the Big Bang?

I try to follow Bertrand Russell's definition: "Belief" is "That for which there is no evidence".

Therefore, neither "belief" or "disbelief" have anything to do with physics.

If you accept the experimental evidence is consistent with the idea of a Big Bang, that has nothing to do with "belief".

If you have an alternative scientific hypothesis to explain the evidence, that has nothing to do with "belief" or "disbelief" either - and the cosmology section is probably a good place to discuss it.
 

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