What Custom Options and Resources Exist for Quantum Design PPMS Users?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the experiences and challenges faced by users of the Quantum Design PPMS (Physical Property Measurement System) in building custom options, writing software, and seeking undocumented resources. Participants express a desire for better documentation and support, as well as sharing their personal experiences with the system.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested
  • Meta-discussion

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants inquire about the availability of blueprints for the sample chamber in CAD format and undocumented GPIB commands.
  • One user expresses frustration with the limited support from Quantum Design, suggesting that the company is protective of their technology and documentation.
  • Another participant mentions that while the manual provides some information, it does not cover all the quirks and complexities of the system.
  • There are discussions about the ease of use of the PPMS for standard measurements versus the challenges faced when pushing the system's limits.
  • One user shares their experience of using Labview to interface with the PPMS and suggests that there are various options available in the software manual.
  • Some participants express a desire for a community or forum dedicated to PPMS users to share insights and experiences.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally do not reach a consensus on the level of support provided by Quantum Design, with some finding it helpful while others feel it is inadequate. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the availability of technical resources and the complexities of the PPMS system.

Contextual Notes

Participants note limitations in documentation and the potential for undocumented features or commands. There is also mention of the challenges associated with reverse engineering and modifying the system.

Who May Find This Useful

This discussion may be useful for researchers and engineers working with Quantum Design PPMS systems, particularly those interested in customization, software integration, and troubleshooting.

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I am sure a few people have a Quantum Design PPMS. Is anyone else here actively involved in building custom options, and writing custom software, or simply has a lot of experience with it. Quantum Design is (maybe naturally) cautious about giving out blueprints of the sample chamber and such.
Did anyone produce a good blueprint of the sample chamber in some CAD format? Did someone make a list of undocumented GPIB commands? Does someone understand the temperature controller, how the options are registered in the Multiview Software... I have so many questions that are not really answered by the manual, and there are quite a few quirks of which I don't know if they are common. Is there a forum somewhere for this, a newsgroup, or a mailing list?
 
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Give Quantum Design a call. They have always been extremely helpful.

Go to the March APS meeting They will have people there in the exhibition hall. Nice people.
 
Sorry can't go to the APS meeting. The Quantum design people are helpful alright, but I would call "always extremely" an overstatement. If you have a name of a very skilled representative maybe you can private message that to me. I don't really blame them when they cannot help, especially since usually I have to deal with the European support that is not as close to the development team I think. Also there is a reason why many things are not documented: they want to protect the machine from the user.
I used the word hacking for a reason, reverse engineering, and software modification is something companies don't support, as nice as quantum design might be. Also talking about shortcomings is not really something companies do for legal reasons.
 
Oh, the people I've met are in California.
 
I suppose this thread has just been killed, only solid state guys use the PPMS system. I doubt they read the lounge stuff. -- I don't.
 
ehhh... I've found everything I've needed to know in the manual. The sample chamber isn't that complicated and the temperature stuff is talked about in the manual. The GPIB commands should be standard, but if you want to spy on them you can.
 
The sample chamber might not be complicated, but a nice technical drawing would be good, if you want your insert to fit right away. I am not satisfied with using the PPMS as a black box. As much as people like that. How can GPIB commands be standard? For example: you can set the temperature by "TEMP <temperature> <rate>" as far as I remember from the manual, how would this make sense on a Keithley multimeter? I know that there are ways of spying on the GPIB commands with the driver or with a sniffer, but has anyone ever done it on a PPMS?
There are probably hundreds of these things standing around in the world, there must be a number of people trying to get more out of them, just like me. Just no one here in this forum :( (grumble)
 
I have been working with a PPMS for a couple of years now and think that it is a double edged sword. It is made to be easy to use but for the very specific purposes that they have designed it for. As physicists we always joke that the PPMS is made for chemists ;) If you are doing run of the mill resistivity, specific heat, VSM measurements, well within the parameters that QD says they can hit, you're fine. You run into problems if you try to push the temp/vacuum/noise limits of the system; also if something breaks b/c it is designed to be a black box. My experience w/ QD staff is that they will grudgingly help but usually mention that what they are about to tell you can be found in the manual(however obscure and buried it may be). They will talk to you like you are an idiot the whole time but if you are persistent enough they will usually help you fix the problem. RE: GPIB...there are ways to send commands to the PPMS in command mode and immediate to have it do what you want. I run two types of experiments in which I take data on an external computer using Labview. You can use the "Analog Output" in the "Instrument" drop down menu to send a voltage out that is linked to Temp/Field/... You can then write some low level labview program to read the voltage from the analog outputs. If you really dig into the software manual for the PPMS there are a lot of interface options but I haven't need to/spent the time to figure it out. RE: Sample chamber: Again, I bugged them enough to send me a technical drawing, not CAD, of the chamber and a probe that had dimensions on it. You can also just take a pair of calipers to the chamber opening and measure it. Its very close to the ID of the chamber itself from what I remember. Good luck!
 
seycyrus said:
Give Quantum Design a call. They have always been extremely helpful.

Go to the March APS meeting They will have people there in the exhibition hall. Nice people.

Thanks for the information. I hope that I can meet people who are expert in that PPMS. And probably I can gain more information to them. :D
 

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