What Does a Complex Momentum Value Indicate in Quantum Mechanics?

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The discussion centers around the interpretation of complex momentum values in quantum mechanics, specifically addressing the implications of obtaining complex numbers when calculating momentum as an observable. Participants explore the mathematical foundations and implications of these values in various contexts, including wavefunctions and their properties.

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  • Conceptual clarification
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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants assert that momentum values are real and that any imaginary components cancel out due to the hermitian nature of the momentum operator.
  • Others discuss the behavior of momentum when the wavefunction is purely real, suggesting that the expectation value of momentum would be zero.
  • It is proposed that if the wavefunction is complex, separating the real and imaginary parts leads to a final result that is real, with the imaginary contributions resulting in a cancellation.
  • One participant introduces a method of partial integration to demonstrate that the momentum expectation value can be shown to be real through mathematical manipulation.
  • A later reply questions the type of momentum being discussed, asking whether it refers to spatial, angular, or spin momentum, and whether it applies universally to all particles or is limited to specific cases like photons or bound electrons.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree that the momentum expectation value is real, but there is no consensus on the implications of this result or the types of momentum being discussed. Multiple views remain regarding the interpretation and application of these concepts.

Contextual Notes

Some limitations include the dependence on the properties of wavefunctions and the specific conditions under which the momentum is calculated, as well as the unresolved nature of how these concepts apply across different types of particles.

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This discussion may be of interest to students and researchers in quantum mechanics, particularly those exploring the mathematical foundations of observables and the implications of wavefunction properties.

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[itex] \langle p\rangle=-i\hbar\int \Psi^*\frac{\partial}{\partial x}\Psi dx[/itex]

Apparently, in general, we get a complex number for momentum. What does it mean, since p is an observable?
 
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The values are real, and can only be real, the imaginary numbers will cancel out. The momentum operator, p, being hermitian, guarantees this.
 
Ok, thank you.
 
In a little more detail, if the wavefunction is purely real, then you will always find that <p>=0 (try this out if you like, for example on the Harmonic oscillator wavefunctions).

If the wavefunction is complex, then you can separate the real and imaginary parts ... the imaginary part will of course be multiplied by i, and so you will end up with i2 in your final answer, which will be completely real. (The real part will yield a result of zero, as covered above).
 
Hi.

intervoxel said:
Apparently, in general, we get a complex number for momentum. What does it mean, since p is an observable?

By partial integration, as ψ vanishes at infinity x,
∫ψ*∂x ψ dx = [ψ*ψ] - ∫(∂x ψ*)ψ dx = - ∫ψ∂xψ* dx.
By adding the both and dividing by two,
-ih'∫ψ*∂x ψ dx = -ih'{ ∫ψ*∂x ψ dx - ∫ψ∂xψ* dx}/2
= -ih'/2 ∫ψ*∂x ψ dx + ih'/2 ∫ψ∂xψ* dx
= -ih'/2 ∫ψ*∂x ψ dx + its conjugate complex
= real number

Regards.
 
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SpectraCat said:
In a little more detail, if the wavefunction is purely real, then you will always find that <p>=0 (try this out if you like, for example on the Harmonic oscillator wavefunctions).

If the wavefunction is complex, then you can separate the real and imaginary parts ... the imaginary part will of course be multiplied by i, and so you will end up with i2 in your final answer, which will be completely real. (The real part will yield a result of zero, as covered above).

Another way is to take into consideration that the derivative of a real function has opposite parity. So the integrand is odd, resulting in a null integral in the symmetric limits. I think.
 
sweet springs said:
Hi.

By partial integration, as ψ vanishes at infinity x,
∫ψ*∂x ψ dx = [ψ*ψ] - ∫(∂x ψ*)ψ dx = - ∫ψ∂xψ* dx.
By adding the both and dividing by two,
-ih'∫ψ*∂x ψ dx = -ih'{ ∫ψ*∂x ψ dx - ∫ψ∂xψ* dx}/2
= -ih'/2 ∫ψ*∂x ψ dx + ih'/2 ∫ψ∂xψ* dx
= -ih'/2 ∫ψ*∂x ψ dx + its conjugate complex
= real number

Regards.

Interesting proof, thank you.
 
Since everyone seem to agree this momentum is "real", can someone please explain what kind of momentum is that - spatial, angular, spin? Does it apply to any particle or object or just photons or just bound electrons, or what? How do we measure it experimentally?
 

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