What does ".... is zero to order ...." mean?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the interpretation of the phrase "zero to order" in the context of contour integrals of analytic functions. Participants explore its meaning in relation to power series expansions and the implications for coefficients in such expansions.

Discussion Character

  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant seeks clarification on the meaning of "zero to order" in the context of a contour integral of an analytic function.
  • Another participant suggests that being "zero to order e^2" implies that the coefficients a0, a1, and a2 in the power series expansion would be zero.
  • A different participant challenges this view, proposing that the coefficient a2 could be non-zero.
  • Further discussion indicates that expressing a function to second order involves including terms up to x^2, leading to a contention about whether "zero to second order" implies that the second order approximation must also be zero.
  • One participant acknowledges the possibility of being mistaken and reflects on the lack of formal definition for the terminology used.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing interpretations of what "zero to order" entails, particularly regarding the coefficients in the power series expansion. There is no consensus on the implications of this terminology.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights ambiguity in the terminology used and the lack of formal definitions, which may lead to different interpretations among participants.

Tomtam
I saw the sentence " So the contour integral of an analytic function f(z) around a tiny square of size e is zero to order e^2. ". I want to know what " be zero to order " means exactly.
 
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Tomtam said:
I saw the sentence " So the contour integral of an analytic function f(z) around a tiny square of size e is zero to order e^2. ". I want to know what " be zero to order " means exactly.
It means that if you were to write the value of the integral as a power series function of e, a0+a1e+a2e2+a3e3+... then the a0, a1 and a2 coefficients would be zero.
 
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I think that a2 can be non-zero.
 
FactChecker said:
I think that a2 can be non-zero.
Perhaps, but I don't think so. Expressing a function to second order means taking the expansion terms up to and including the x2 term. If it is "zero to second order" that should mean the second order approximation is still zero.
 
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haruspex said:
Perhaps, but I don't think so. Expressing a function to second order means taking the expansion terms up to and including the x2 term. If it is "zero to second order" that should mean the second order approximation is still zero.
I stand corrected. I think you are probably right. I was thinking of a second order zero, but the phrase "zero to second order" does sound more like your definition. I don't think I have ever heard that terminology formally defined or used.
 

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