What does spin quantum number mean?

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The discussion revolves around the concept of the spin quantum number in quantum mechanics, focusing on its values, implications, and the distinction between half-integer and integer spins. Participants explore theoretical aspects and seek clarification on related concepts.

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  • Some participants note that the spin quantum number can take values of 1/2 or -1/2, suggesting that the negative indicates opposite directions of spin.
  • It is mentioned that there are two quantum numbers associated with spin: the magnitude and the projection on the z-axis, with fermions having half-integer spin and bosons having integer spin.
  • Questions arise regarding the significance of the 1/2 value and whether there are SI base units associated with the unit of spin, which is stated to be ##\hbar##.
  • One participant explains that the peculiar nature of spin arises from the behavior of particles under rotation, specifically that a 360-degree rotation changes the phase of a spin-1/2 particle's wave function by -1, rather than 1.
  • Another participant provides mathematical relations involving the spin operator and the properties of wave functions for fermions and bosons.
  • Some participants express a desire for further resources to understand the concepts better, with suggestions for online resources and textbooks.

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Participants generally agree on the basic definitions and implications of spin quantum numbers, but there are unresolved questions regarding the significance of half-integer versus integer spins and the associated units. The discussion remains open with multiple viewpoints and inquiries.

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Limitations include the lack of clarity on the implications of half-integer versus integer spins and the absence of detailed explanations of the mathematical relations presented.

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This discussion may be useful for individuals interested in quantum mechanics, particularly those seeking to understand the concept of spin and its implications in particle physics.

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A spin quantum number can have a value of 1/2 or -1/2. I assume that the negative means that these two spins are in opposite directions. However, what does the 1/2 mean? Why 1/2, rather than a whole integer? Are there some sort of units associated with this value?
 
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To be more precise, there are two quantum numbers associated with spin, i.e. the magnitude and the projection on the ##z##-axis. There are two kinds of particles, namely fermions having half-integer spin and bosons which have integer spin. The unit of spin is ##\hbar##.
 
eys_physics said:
To be more precise, there are two quantum numbers associated with spin, i.e. the magnitude and the projection on the ##z##-axis. There are two kinds of particles, namely fermions having half-integer spin and bosons which have integer spin. The unit of spin is ##\hbar##.
Are there SI base units associated with that unit? And what does an integer versus half integer spin truly mean?
Also, thanks for the reply!
 
Eve Litman said:
A spin quantum number can have a value of 1/2 or -1/2. I assume that the negative means that these two spins are in opposite directions.

You're not talking about two spins. You're talking about one spin. The two quantum numbers are the two possible measurement results when you measure the spin of a spin-1/2 particle (like an electron) along a particular direction.

Eve Litman said:
Why 1/2, rather than a whole integer?

Now you've opened a real can of worms. :wink: The short answer is that, in quantum mechanics, if we rotate a particle with spin, its quantum state changes, and the "spin" of the particle describes how it changes. For a 360 degree rotation, the phase of the particle's wave function changes by ##2 \pi## times the spin.

When QM was first discovered, physicists thought that spins could only be integers, which would mean that a complete 360 degree rotation would change the phase by an integer multiple of ##2 \pi##. Since phases are angles, that is the same as not changing the phase at all. But in the 1920s, as more experiments were done to explore the properties of quantum particles like electrons, it became apparent that electrons had a peculiar property: a complete 360 degree rotation multiplied the wave function by ##-1## (instead of ##1##). That corresponds to the phase changing by only ##\pi## for a 360 degree rotation, which means a spin of 1/2.

There is a lot more here, as I implied above; this subject is really too much for a PF discussion. But the above is the gist of it.

Eve Litman said:
Are there SI base units associated with that unit?

The SI units of spin are the SI units of Planck's constant.
 
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The SI unit of ##\hbar## is ##J\cdot s##. Well, if you have a quantum-mechanical state ##|s m>## which is an eigenstate of the spin operator ##\hat{s}##, you have the relations
$$\hat{s}^2|s m>= s(s+1)\hbar^2 |s m>,$$
and
$$\hat{s}_z |s m>= m\hbar |s m>$$.

The wave function of a two-fermion state is antisymmetric under exchange of the of the two particles, whereas a two-boson is symmetric.
 
Thank you for the thorough response. I get the gist of this, but I don't know enough about quantum mechanics to fully understand. Could you refer me to a good resource to learn more about these concepts?
 
I would recommend to start with an introductory book on QM, e.g. Griffiths "Introduction to Quantum Mechanics", especially chapters 4 and 5 of that book could be useful.
 

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