What does state mean in quantum mechanics?

Click For Summary

Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the concept of "state" in quantum mechanics, particularly as it is presented in Griffith's textbook. Participants explore the definition, implications, and mathematical representations of a quantum state, addressing its role in assigning probabilities to measurement outcomes.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • One participant seeks clarification on the meaning of "state" as used in quantum mechanics, specifically in the context of Griffith's book.
  • Another participant suggests that a state represents a complete specification of a particle's physical properties.
  • A different viewpoint compares the concept of state in quantum mechanics to ordinary probability theory, noting that it involves complex vector elements and allows for the calculation of probabilities of outcomes.
  • One participant elaborates that a state is necessary to assign probabilities to all possible results of measurements and discusses the relationship between preparation procedures and states, emphasizing that multiple preparations can lead to the same state.
  • Participants mention different mathematical representations of states, including wavefunctions for pure states and density operators for mixed states.
  • There is a discussion about the differences between classical and quantum states, with classical states being represented by pairs of position and momentum, and how this relates to the assignment of probabilities in classical mechanics.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying interpretations of what constitutes a "state" in quantum mechanics, with no consensus reached on a singular definition. There are multiple competing views regarding the relationship between states, preparation procedures, and the mathematical representations involved.

Contextual Notes

Some participants note that certain concepts and notations may not have been introduced yet in Griffith's book, which could lead to confusion when discussing the definition of state.

timothyc
Messages
9
Reaction score
0
What does "state" mean in quantum mechanics?

I'm currently self learning quantum mechanics from Griffith's book. I'm in the first chapter and he's using phrases like "a particle in state Ψ", but he doesn't explain what it means by "state".
Can someone please enlighten me?
 
Physics news on Phys.org


timothyc said:
I'm currently self learning quantum mechanics from Griffith's book. I'm in the first chapter and he's using phrases like "a particle in state Ψ", but he doesn't explain what it means by "state".
Can someone please enlighten me?

It means a specification of everything that can be specified about the physical properties of the particle.
 


In ordinary probability theory a state is simply a list of non negative numbers that adds up to one and gives the probability of getting its corresponding outcome. It's similar in QM - the outcomes are the complex vector elements of the QM state space relevant to your problem and a state allows you to calculate the probability of those outcomes. Specifically it is a positive definite operator P of trace 1 and Tr(P |u><u|) gives the probability of getting the vector |u> (|u> normalized).

I share your frustration - the above probably uses notation Griffith has not introduced - at least from what I seem to recall when reading it ages ago myself. Its really 'bad' when they don't explain a concept and its true explanation requires concepts beyond what they have imparted. I got frustrated with that sort of stuff all the time.

Thanks
Bill
 
Last edited:


The state is what you need to know to be able to assign probabilities to all possible* results of all measurements. In particular, if you know the state and what measuring device is being used, you will be able to assign probabilities to the possible results of the measurement you're doing right now.

If you know the preparation procedure that the particle has been subjected to, you have enough information, but that doesn't mean that preparation=state, because it's possible that many different preparation procedures are associated with the same probability assignments. So a state should be thought of as an equivalence class of preparation procedures.

There are many ways to represent a state mathematically. In a book like Griffiths (which I have only read a very small part of), the only mathematical representation of a state is a wavefunction.

In classical mechanics, a state is usually represented by a pair (x,v) or (x,p). x is position, v is velocity and p is momentum. The reason for that is that the theory is built up around a differential equation of the form x''(t)=f(x'(t),x(t),t), which has a unique solution x for each initial condition. An initial condition is a pair of equalities that specify the values of the two functions at a single point in their domain: x(t0)=x0, p(t0)=p0. If you know the solution x, you can compute v and p. So if you know the value of (x(t),v(t)) or (x(t),p(t)) at one time, you can determine it at all times.

Note that this is consistent with the more general definition of "state" that I opened with, because knowing the state of a classical system allows you to assign probabilities to each possible* result of each measurement. We don't usually talk about classical mechanics in this way, because the probabilities are always 0 or 1 when we have the maximum amount of obtainable information about the system. (The maximum amount of information that would be obtainable in principle in a universe that's exactly as described by this classical theory).

By the way, if we have all the relevant obtainable information, the state is said to be pure. If we can only assign a probability to each preparation procedure that may have been used, the state is said to be mixed. Wavefunctions in QM represent pure states. Mixed states are represented by density operators.
*) By "possible results of measurements", I mean those numbers that the measuring device is capable of telling us is the result. I don't mean that every possible results can actually happen in a realistic situation.
 
Last edited:

Similar threads

  • · Replies 5 ·
Replies
5
Views
1K
  • · Replies 8 ·
Replies
8
Views
1K
  • · Replies 11 ·
Replies
11
Views
3K
  • · Replies 17 ·
Replies
17
Views
2K
  • · Replies 22 ·
Replies
22
Views
3K
  • · Replies 27 ·
Replies
27
Views
3K
  • · Replies 2 ·
Replies
2
Views
1K
  • · Replies 12 ·
Replies
12
Views
2K
  • · Replies 3 ·
Replies
3
Views
1K
  • · Replies 4 ·
Replies
4
Views
3K