What exactly does a degree of freedom mean?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the concept of "degrees of freedom," exploring its definition and application across various contexts, including quantum mechanics, general relativity, and statistical mechanics. Participants share their interpretations and examples related to the term.

Discussion Character

  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions the existence of a solid definition for "degrees of freedom."
  • Another participant suggests that degrees of freedom correspond to dimensions, stating that three degrees of freedom equal three dimensions, but later acknowledges a misunderstanding regarding the context of quantum physics.
  • It is noted that spin is referred to as a degree of freedom by Shankar and possibly Born, indicating a connection to quantum mechanics.
  • A participant mentions that in general relativity, the free indices of the metric tensor are described as degrees of freedom, relating to coordinate choices.
  • One participant proposes that any dynamic variable distinguishing identical particles can be considered a degree of freedom, using the example of electrons distinguished by their spin.
  • Another participant defines a degree of freedom as an independent variable that describes a system's property, explaining that constraints reduce the number of degrees of freedom, illustrated with the example of an ideal gas.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express various interpretations of degrees of freedom, with no consensus on a singular definition. Multiple competing views remain regarding its application in different fields.

Contextual Notes

Some definitions and examples provided may depend on specific contexts or assumptions, such as the relationship between variables in thermodynamics or the interpretation of spin in quantum mechanics.

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I have seen this word used in every context, is there a solid definition??
 
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Dimension I believe.

3 degrees of freedom = 3 dimensions.

Edit: Opps. I didn't realize this was the quantum physics section. I learned about degrees of freedom from a linear algebra textbook.
 
Yeah well Shankar refers to spin as a degree of freedom, I believe I read somehwere that Born did thr same
 
Also, although not related to QM, my GR text refers to the free indices of the metric tensor as "degrees of freedom" in that section about what we can make zero with arbitrary coordinates.
 
HomogenousCow said:
Yeah well Shankar refers to spin as a degree of freedom, I believe I read somehwere that Born did thr same

My understanding of degree of freedom is that any dynamic variable that can distinguish two otherwise identical particles can be thought of as a degree of freedom. For example, two electrons at the same orbital state could be further distinguished by their spin, so spin is another degree of freedom.
 
A degree of freedom is an independent variable that describes some property of a system. The number of the collection of these independent variables that are required to completely describe a system, are called “the degrees of freedom of the system”. For each constraint that you impose the degrees of freedom reduce by one. For example, for an ideal gas in a closed container, there are the variables of “volume”, “pressure” and “temperature”, which can take any positive value. But, the three of them are not independent, because they are related by the state equation, so one variable can be expressed as a function of the other two. So the ideal gas has two degrees of freedom.
 

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