What exactly is this concept called? -- Finding "?" in x^2+16x+? to get (x+8)^2

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The discussion revolves around the concept of completing the square in quadratic equations, specifically focusing on the transformation of the polynomial x^2 + 16x + ? into the form (x + 8)^2. Participants explore terminology, mathematical processes, and related concepts.

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  • Some participants propose that the missing term in the polynomial is 64, allowing the expression to be rewritten as (x + 8)^2.
  • Others refer to the process as "quadratic supplement" or "completing the square," with varying opinions on the appropriateness of these terms.
  • A participant suggests that completing the square is an algorithmic technique used to transform quadratic polynomials into a specific form.
  • Some contributions highlight the geometric interpretation of completing the square, relating it to finding a "missing piece" to complete a square shape.
  • There are discussions about the translation of terms and the nuances of terminology in different languages, with references to Wikipedia and other resources for definitions.
  • A later reply introduces the idea of naming the "missing piece" as "adquadratus," prompting further exploration of this term and its implications.
  • Participants engage in light-hearted commentary regarding the terminology and its associations, including humorous takes on the meanings of "square."
  • Some participants mention the use of completing the square as a method to derive the quadratic formula, with varying opinions on the enjoyment of this exercise.

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Participants express differing views on the terminology and interpretation of the process of completing the square. While some agree on the basic concept, there is no consensus on the best terminology or the implications of certain terms.

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There are unresolved questions regarding the naming of the "missing piece" and the definitions of terms used in the discussion. The conversation also reflects a mix of mathematical reasoning and informal commentary.

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This discussion may be of interest to students and educators in mathematics, particularly those exploring quadratic equations and the concept of completing the square.

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x^2+16x+?
That ? Can only be 64 so the polynomial can transform into (x+8)^2 where the position where in this case “8” is must be an integer.

What exactly are these kind of concepts called?
 
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We call it "quadratic supplement" and Wiki translates it to "completing the square".
 
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fresh_42 said:
We call it "quadratic supplement" and Wiki translates it to "completing the square".

Sounds like something you take when you need more vitamins vs being a carpenter and building a square.
 
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jedishrfu said:
Sounds like something you take when you need more vitamins vs being a carpenter and building a square.
Well, completing the square sounds like a paver at work.
 
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LOL :smile:
 
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Sounds like something you take when you need more vitamins
Nutritional supplements aren't famous enough here - outside sports - that this association would come up. It would rather be
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I don’t know if this is right,but after I searched “quadratic supplement”online,it seems like the process of turning the form of
ax^2+bx+c
to
a(x-h)^2+k

but in my case it kind of means the process of filling in a specific coefficient (either a or b or c)
in a way that the entire polynomial can be turn into (x+n)^2 where n must be an real number(sorry for the mispost up there)and the transformation process is based on
(a+b)^2 = a^2 +2ab+ b^2

Ps:It is like the specific propertie of a set of quadratic polynomials that its a(x-h)^2+k form has a = 1 and k = 0
 
The general idea is always to transform a quadratic polynomial ##a_0x^2+a_1x+a_2## into a form ##c\cdot (x \pm a)^2 +b## in order to isolate ##(x \pm a)^2## and solve it.
 
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Get it.Thanks!
 
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fresh_42 said:
Well, completing the square sounds like a paver at work.
In the US (and possibly UK?), we call this technique "completing the square."
 
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Mark44 said:
In the US (and possibly UK?), we call this technique "completing the square."
Yes, that's what Wikipedia (my preferred dictionary for technical terms) gave me. My own translation "quadratic supplement" is not really optimal for "quadratische Ergänzung", which could also be translated by "quadratic completion" which is pretty close. I found the English name a bit funny, as square has multiple meanings in English (geometric figure, "don't be square", Times or Trafalgar square), whereas quadratic has not.
 
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"Quadratic supplement" is not that far off from "completing the square," since the Latin for "square" is quadratus.
There are also a few other meanings for "square," such as "a square deal" (fair deal), or "to square accounts," (pay off a debt).
 
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Yes it is "completing the square" in the UK. I have always assumed that the term comes from the geometric construction shown in the animation on the Wikipedia page: solving the problem involves finding the "missing piece" that literally completes the construction of a square. I don't normally use Wikipedia for mathematical terms, preferring Mathworld.
 
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pbuk said:
Yes it is "completing the square" in the UK. I have always assumed that the term comes from the geometric construction shown in the animation on the Wikipedia page: solving the problem involves finding the "missing piece" that literally completes the construction of a square. I don't normally use Wikipedia for mathematical terms, preferring Mathworld.
I spoke about translations. Wikipedia allows to switch from my native language directly to the corresponding English term, WolframAlpha does not, neither do ordinary dictionaries. It has also the advantage, that those pages do not correspond one on one, so you can sometimes find better descriptions, sources, formulas or graphics on other language sites. And for all who are really interested in accurate definitions and links, I strongly recommend nLab rather than WolframAlpha.
 
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I would love to know , as I have asked before, why the "missing piece" in #14 cannot be given a name. adquadratus ?
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odd integers ,e.g. 223, -
##1112 +223 =1122##
would it then be alright to say 223 is the adquadratus ??

also in #13 don't forget the square meal ! [ from the wooden square plates on RN vessels of old , kept in a slotted rack so they they did not roll out in heaving sea states]
 
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As a "fun" exercise, you can use the technique of completing the square to derive the quadratic formula.
 
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Janosh89 said:
I would love to know , as I have asked before, why the "missing piece" in #14 cannot be given a name. adquadratus ?
I don't believe so. I hadn't heard this term before, but ad quadratum seems to be related to architectural design or generating Platonic solids (see http://www.gatewaycoalition.org/files/millennium_sphere/products/AdQuadratum.pdf).
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For odd integers ,e.g. 223, -
##1112 +223 =1122##
would it then be alright to say 223 is the adquadratus ??
I think you would be alone in the world to call it that. The "ad" in ad quadratum doesn't mean "to add" -- the Latin preposition means "toward" or "to".

Regarding your numbers, ##111^2 + 223 = 111^2 + 222 + 1 = 111^2 + 2 \cdot 111 + 1 = (111 + 1)^2 = 112^2##. Geometrically, the two terms , ##111^2## and ##222##, could be visualized as a square whose sides are 111 and two rectangles, each of length 111 and width 1. Completing the square means determining which square would fill in the small gap at the lower right in my drawing. In this case, a 1 X 1 square would do the job.

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The areas of the 111 X 111 square, the two thin rectangles, and the small 1 X 1 square (not shown) add up to the combined figure, a 112 X 112 square.
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also in #13 don't forget the square meal ! [ from the wooden square plates on RN vessels of old , kept in a slotted rack so they they did not roll out in heaving sea states]
 

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FactChecker said:
As a "fun" exercise, you can use the technique of completing the square to derive the quadratic formula.
Fun? That's often the only way for me to check if I remembered the signs correctly. :wink:
 
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fresh_42 said:
Fun? That's often the only way for me to check if I remembered the signs correctly. :wink:
Ha! IMHO, one of the signs of a mathematician is the reliance on quick derivations rather than memorization (although, I understand that Gauss had a photographic memory -- just another thing that made him the ultimate genius.)
 
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FactChecker said:
Ha! IMHO, one of the signs of a mathematician is the reliance on quick derivations rather than memorization (although, I understand that Gauss had a photographic memory -- just another way that he was the ultimate genius.)
This would explain why my library is far better than my memory <sigh>.
 
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Found out / discovered that addendum is the gerund of the Latin verb addere . [to add together]
Painful memories of chalk dust flooding back. ..
 
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