What happens before you pass out from choking?

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The discussion revolves around the physiological and sensory experiences that occur before a person passes out from choking, particularly in the context of a fictional scenario. Participants explore symptoms, visual changes, and the implications of chokeholds in martial arts.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant inquires about the visual experience before passing out, suggesting potential symptoms like darkness creeping into vision or blurriness.
  • Another participant mentions tunnel vision as a symptom of fainting, comparing it to the shrinking picture of an old TV set.
  • There are claims regarding the loss of bodily control during a chokehold, with one participant noting that individuals may wet themselves upon regaining consciousness.
  • Discussion includes the distinction between blood supply and air supply in chokeholds, with a participant asserting that a Judo chokehold aims to cut off blood supply to the brain.
  • Questions are raised about whether the effects of a chokehold could be classified as temporary death or merely unconsciousness.
  • One participant expresses concern about the safety of practicing chokeholds outside of controlled environments, suggesting that it could lead to dangerous situations.

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Participants express varying views on the physiological effects of chokeholds and their implications, with no consensus reached on the nature of the experience or the safety of such practices.

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Limitations include the lack of empirical evidence for some claims, dependence on anecdotal experiences, and unresolved questions regarding the physiological mechanisms involved in choking and unconsciousness.

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Writers, martial arts practitioners, and individuals interested in the physiological effects of choking or fainting may find this discussion relevant.

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Okay, so this is a weird question, I know. I am working on writing a book, and have scoured google and for some reason cannot find an answer to this. One of my characters got into a fight and is being choked to the point of his passing out. What would happen before he passed out? What would his vision be like? Would darkness like creep into his vision, would it get blurry? How long would he stay passed out?
 
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Fainting symptoms may help here. Here’s an article on syncope:

https://www.verywell.com/causes-of-fainting-1298399

Tunnel vision would one such symptom. You could imagine him seeing his surrounding in an ever shrinking circle of vision. Reminiscent of old TV sets when turned off and the picture shrinking to a dot and then nothing.



I’ve heard that when someone is placed in a BJJ chokehold they will pass out and lose control of bodily functions meaning they will wet themselves suffering some embarrassment when waking up.
 
jedishrfu said:
I’ve heard that when someone is placed in a BJJ chokehold they will pass out and lose control of bodily functions meaning they will wet themselves suffering some embarrassment when waking up.
How often that happens in a competition, or other scenario, as the "victim" usually goes limp.
The Judo choke hold is to cut off the blood supply to the brain, rather than inhibit the air supply ( in which case the contestant is doing it wrong - one wants to immobilization to happen fairly quickly ).
 
256bits said:
How often that happens in a competition, or other scenario, as the "victim" usually goes limp.
The Judo choke hold is to cut off the blood supply to the brain, rather than inhibit the air supply ( in which case the contestant is doing it wrong - one wants to immobilization to happen fairly quickly ).
Could this be seen as a temporary death or just unconsciousness?
 
IMO, it is a bad idea. Perhaps in very controlled situations under scrutiny from very well-trained experts, this is okay. John McLurker, 14, reading this thinks 'how cool', goes to a website for five minutes, thinks he is expert, then tries it on the late Howard Hapless, 13. I am locking the thread.

PF is all about science, but backyard judo is not what we deal with.
 
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