What Happens to a Fly Inside a Moving Train?

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The discussion revolves around the behavior of a fly suspended in mid-air inside a moving train, particularly focusing on the implications of motion and acceleration as described by Newton's laws of motion.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

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  • Participants explore why an object like a fly does not simply move to the back of the train when it accelerates, questioning the nature of its suspension and the forces acting on it. There are discussions about the fly's motion relative to the train and the ground, as well as the role of air in supporting the fly.

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The conversation is ongoing, with participants raising questions about the mechanics of motion and the forces involved. Some have provided insights into the relationship between the fly's motion and the train's acceleration, while others seek clarification on these concepts.

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Participants are considering the effects of acceleration and the forces acting on the fly, including the role of air resistance and how it interacts with the fly's movement within the train. There is a lack of consensus on certain assumptions regarding the fly's behavior and the conditions inside the train during acceleration.

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Fly in a train!

Hey guys, i was wondering what happens if an object is suspended in mid air inside a moving train? Why doesn't the object just fly back to the back of the train when the train starts moving? I mean it has got no contact with the train so it will not have the velocity of the train right??
 
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semc said:
I mean it has got no contact with the train
How is it suspended?
 


semc said:
Why doesn't the object just fly back to the back of the train when the train starts moving?
It actually does. More precisely the fly remains stationary with respect to the ground while train accelerates so it appears to be moving back to an observer in the train.It is a consequence of the first law.
 
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Doc Al said:
How is it suspended?

its just like a fly in a train

bp_psy said:
It actually does. More precisely the fly remains stationary with respect to the ground while train accelerates so it appears to be moving back to an observer in the train.It is a consequence of the first law.

so the fly will go to the back of the train when it accelerate? So how is it possible to see a fly flying around in a train.
 


semc said:
So how is it possible to see a fly flying around in a train.
On a trip of any significant length, how much time does the train actually spend accelerating?
 


semc said:
its just like a fly in a train
So what supports the fly? The air, of course.

so the fly will go to the back of the train when it accelerate? So how is it possible to see a fly flying around in a train.
In order for the fly to accelerate, a net force must act on it. (It's got to push against the air.) If the train lurches forward, the fly will appear to be pushed toward the rear of the train unless it compensates. (Which it can easily do. Flys zoom all over the place creating greater accelerations than you are likely to experience on a train.) Once the train stops accelerating, everything is back to normal.
 


Doc Al said:
So what supports the fly? The air, of course.
Sorry i don't quite get it. So what if the air support the fly? It has got the same speed as the train just like us when we are inside a train?

Wow so the fly doesn't have to fly at the same speed as the train to appear stationary?
 


semc said:
Sorry i don't quite get it. So what if the air support the fly?
Something must exert a force on the fly to accelerate it.
It has got the same speed as the train just like us when we are inside a train?
Not sure what you mean. Flys buzz around.
Wow so the fly doesn't have to fly at the same speed as the train to appear stationary?
What do you mean by "fly" at the same speed as the train? To appear stationary within the train, it must have the same speed as the train.
 

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