Is a 3-D object with three faces possible?

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The discussion revolves around the question of whether a three-dimensional object can exist with only three faces, exploring definitions, examples, and the properties of such shapes. Participants consider both flat and non-flat surfaces, as well as the implications of dimensionality in geometry.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants assert that no closed three-dimensional object can exist with only three flat faces, referencing geometric properties of shapes like triangles.
  • Others propose that there are infinite three-dimensional objects with three faces, similar to two-dimensional objects with two sides, although this is contested.
  • A tetrahedron with its base removed is suggested as a possible example of a three-faced object, though it is noted that it does not have to be closed.
  • One participant introduces the concept of a convex polytope, stating that the minimum number of flat surfaces for a three-dimensional polytope is four.
  • There is a discussion about the Möbius strip, with some arguing it has three faces, while others clarify it has only one face and one edge, emphasizing its two-dimensional nature.
  • Some participants question whether geometries exist where a three-faced object could be constructed, indicating a desire to explore non-standard geometrical concepts.
  • There are mentions of triangulating a sphere to create three faces, but this leads to confusion about the definitions of dimensional objects.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally disagree on the existence of a three-dimensional object with three faces, with multiple competing views presented. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the definitions and properties of such objects.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations in the definitions provided by participants, particularly regarding what constitutes a three-dimensional object versus a two-dimensional manifold. The discussion also highlights the need for clarity on the properties of closed surfaces and the implications of dimensionality in geometry.

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Is there a 3-D object with 3 faces? What is it called?
 
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My mind can't comprehend the existence of such a shape :redface:
 
Thats like asking for a 2 sided 2D object.
 
A politician?
 
A cylinder? Or must the faces be flat..?
 
No such object exists with flat sides.
 
three lines can only intersect in one point, coincide or be parallel so yes, no such object exists.
 
There is an infinite number of 3 dimensional objects with 3 faces, just as there are an infinite number 2 dimensional objects with 2 sides.
 
A tetrahedron with its base removed?
 
  • #10
Gib Z said:
There is an infinite number of 3 dimensional objects with 3 faces, just as there are an infinite number 2 dimensional objects with 2 sides.

Playing Captain Obvious these days? :-p
 
  • #11
Jarle said:
A cylinder? Or must the faces be flat..?
Good answer; but I was asking about flat surfaces. I understand that no such object exists. Is there a theorem about the min. number of flat surfaces that a 3-D object must have?
 
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I think it's best we first clarify what a closed 3 dimensional object is for our purposes. I would say that a simple closed 3 dimensional object is a collection of planar surfaces with properties among which is that a surface in that collection connects to at least as many surfaces as it has vertices. The simplest planar figure is the triangle; since it has 3 sides, it is not possible to meet the said property with only 3 planar faces, hence there is no such 3 dimensional object.
 
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EnumaElish said:
Is there a 3-D object with 3 faces? What is it called?

A trihedron, of course! :P
 
  • #14
uman said:
A tetrahedron with its base removed?

Getting the right idea =] No one had stated the shape has to be closed.
 
  • #15
EnumaElish said:
Good answer; but I was asking about flat surfaces. I understand that no such object exists. Is there a theorem about the min. number of flat surfaces that a 3-D object must have?

Hello,

What you are thinking of is a 3 dimensional (convex) polytope. I assume you mean codimension 1 faces (i.e. 2 dimensional faces). Technically, edges and vertices are also called faces. In this case, the minimum number of faces is 4 (a tetrahedron). In general, an n dimensional polytope needs to have at least n+1 facets.
 
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masnevets said:
Hello,

What you are thinking of is a 3 dimensional (convex) polytope. I assume you mean codimension 1 faces (i.e. 2 dimensional faces). Technically, edges and vertices are also called faces. In this case, the minimum number of faces is 4 (a tetrahedron). In general, an n dimensional polytope needs to have at least n+1 facets.

Darn, I was going to say that. Furthermore, when you consider the convex hull of this polytope, the convex hull can extend in two dimensions; but there needs to be at least one point above the plane of the other points in order to achieve what you desire. Otherwise it's simply a 2-dimensional face.
 
  • #17
Wouldn't a Mobius strip have 3 faces? ie. 1 'face' and 2 edges.
 
  • #18
mgb_phys said:
Wouldn't a Mobius strip have 3 faces? ie. 1 'face' and 2 edges.

Good thinking. Why wouldn't it? Make the edges thicker = 3 faces.

But obviously no flat surfaced object could have 3 faces. (politicians aside)
 
  • #19
Are there geometries where such an object could be constructed or is that a silly question to ask?
 
  • #20
mgb_phys said:
Wouldn't a Mobius strip have 3 faces? ie. 1 'face' and 2 edges.

It only has 1 'face' and 1 edge though. And a Möbius strip is 2-dimensional (as a manifold).
 
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Of course - the edges are connected - dumb of me.
So it's possible to have a 2 sided 3D object but not a 3 sided one ?
 
  • #22
mgb_phys said:
Of course - the edges are connected - dumb of me.
So it's possible to have a 2 sided 3D object but not a 3 sided one ?
A cylinder has 3 sides if you include it's curved surface. Both 'sides' of a mobius strip are curved into each other so you only have 2 sides. With only flat surfaces I think n+1 is the minimum number.
 
  • #23
just start with a closed 3 dimensional object like a sphere. then triangulate it with three faces, using curved edges of course.
 
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actually i am not sure what you mean by three dimensional object as i have described a 2 dimensional manifold. a three dimensional object should have some 3 dimensional faces.

i guess i thought you meant a closed surface that does not embed in 2 space, which is the lay persons notion of a three dimensional object.

so to answer the question we need a definition of a three dimensional object.

i guess i could modify ,my example by taking the cone over it with vertex at the center of the sphere, i.e. make it into a ball example.
 
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