What is a Phonon Mean Free Path? | Kittle's Solid-State Physics

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The discussion revolves around the concept of phonon mean free path as mentioned in Kittel's Solid-State Physics. Participants are exploring the definition and implications of mean free path in the context of quasi-particles like phonons, contrasting them with "real" particles.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking, Mixed

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  • Participants are questioning the applicability of mean free path to quasi-particles, discussing the localization of phonons and the nature of trajectories in quantum mechanics. There is also an exploration of the relationship between phonon behavior and classical models like the kinetic theory of gases.

Discussion Status

The discussion is active with various interpretations being explored. Some participants are providing insights into the relationship between phonon mean free path and concepts like drift speed, while others are questioning foundational assumptions about particle localization and trajectory definitions.

Contextual Notes

There is a reference to a specific page in Kittel's book where the concept is mentioned but not defined, leading to the inquiry. Additionally, a source outside the forum is cited to support one participant's understanding of the concept.

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My solid-state physics book (Kittel) talks about the phonon mean free path (on page 122) but never defines it. Can someone please give me a definition?

I know what a mean free path is for a non-quasi-particle but I do not see how that extends to phonons.

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Why do you not think it applies to a quasi-particle but does for a "real" particle? Specifically, I'm intrigued as to your definition of a real vs quasi-particle.
 
A quasi-particle like a phonon is not localized in space, is it? Therefore how can you define a path for it?
 
What makes you think real particles are any more localisable? The idea of a trajectory in quantum mechanics is just inherently dodgy. Anytime someone mentions trajectory, they're really using a short hand for something more subtle. In this case, it may mean for some semi-classical approximation, or by suitably defining the term "mean free path".
 
Before I write, let me say I got most of this from the following site: http://www.cbu.edu/~jholmes/P353/N210ThermCond.doc

I think that the meaning here is similar to the concept of drift speed of electrons through a wire. Current flow can be macroscopically modeled as smooth, but at a molecular level a better model is one similar to the kinetic theory of gases; i.e. billiard balls colliding every which way but with a definite tendency to drift in one direction. So the phonon mean free path is the average distance a phonon 'particle' travels before 'colliding' with another particle. I read on the above-named site that the mean free path relates the temperature difference to the temperature gradient within the material, and the more phonons there are in an area, the more likely they are to collide with each other and therefore shorten the MFP.
 

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