What is a Space-Time Crystal?

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The discussion revolves around the concept of space-time crystals, exploring their definition, implications, and the nature of oscillation in ground states. Participants examine theoretical aspects, potential experimental evidence, and the implications of broken symmetry in this context.

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  • One participant questions the meaning of oscillation in a ground state, suggesting that it seems impossible without external thermodynamic input and wonders if space-time crystals are merely hypothetical constructs.
  • Another participant discusses the implications of broken symmetry states, noting that the Hamiltonian cannot be represented as an operator in the Hilbert space for infinite systems, which raises questions about the validity of proofs regarding non-degenerate ground states.
  • Experimental evidence for space-time crystals has been published, indicating ongoing research and potential validation of the concept.

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Participants express differing views on the nature and existence of space-time crystals, with some questioning the theoretical foundations while others point to recent experimental findings. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the implications of these findings and the theoretical underpinnings.

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There are limitations in the assumptions made about the Hamiltonian and its representation, as well as the implications of broken symmetry in infinite systems. The discussion does not resolve these complexities.

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I know what the definition is, but the concept it's conjuring for me seems in my experience of learning about these things, to indicate that I'm missing the point completely. What does it mean for something to be oscillating when it's in a ground state? I was under the impression that such a thing is impossible unless there's some external thermodynamic input. Is this a hypothetical structure that is believed *not* to exist, but is interesting as a thought experiment?

Naively it sounds like a PPM, which is why I assume that I must be missing quite a bit.
 
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I just read the presentation by Wilczek cited in Wikipedia:
http://www.ctc.cam.ac.uk/stephen70/talks/swh70_wilczek.pdf

A general feature of broken symmetry states (which Wilczek doens't mention) is that the generator of the broken symmetry - i.e. the Hamiltonian in our case -
can't be represented as an operator in the Hilbert space any more. For infinite systems, whether time translation symmetry is broken or not, this is the generic case. E.g. a gas of atoms of which a given fraction is in an excited state has infinite energy relative to the ground state. Hence the hamiltonian is not a well defined operator.
So we can't rely on any proof that the hamiltonian has only non-degenerate ground states simply because the Hamiltonian does not exist.

Edit: I just found this article which elaborates on the comment I made:
https://arxiv.org/pdf/1605.04188v1.pdf
 
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DrDu said:
I just read the presentation by Wilczek cited in Wikipedia:
http://www.ctc.cam.ac.uk/stephen70/talks/swh70_wilczek.pdf

A general feature of broken symmetry states (which Wilczek doens't mention) is that the generator of the broken symmetry - i.e. the Hamiltonian in our case -
can't be represented as an operator in the Hilbert space any more. For infinite systems, whether time translation symmetry is broken or not, this is the generic case. E.g. a gas of atoms of which a given fraction is in an excited state has infinite energy relative to the ground state. Hence the hamiltonian is not a well defined operator.
So we can't rely on any proof that the hamiltonian has only non-degenerate ground states simply because the Hamiltonian does not exist.

Edit: I just found this article which elaborates on the comment I made:
https://arxiv.org/pdf/1605.04188v1.pdf

Thanks for the explanation, and the links!
 

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