What is Consciousness? How does it affect our Physical Universe?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the concept of consciousness and its potential effects on the physical universe. Participants explore various aspects of how consciousness might influence reality, particularly in relation to observable behaviors and theoretical implications in quantum mechanics.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Debate/contested
  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses a desire to understand how consciousness affects the physical universe, emphasizing the interaction between individuals and their environments.
  • Another participant suggests that consciousness and the physical universe are interconnected, questioning the validity of separating the two categories.
  • A participant illustrates a direct example of consciousness affecting the physical universe by moving a pen, prompting further inquiry into the implications of such actions at a quantum level.
  • Concerns are raised about the scientific validity of claims regarding consciousness affecting unseen particles, with a call for repeatable measurements to substantiate such assertions.
  • Another participant notes that the brain functions as an electro-chemical device, capable of emitting signals that can be detected, suggesting a potential link between consciousness and physical measurements.
  • One participant emphasizes that, according to current knowledge, any influence of consciousness on the physical realm occurs through bodily actions, discouraging speculation without scientific backing.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a range of views, with some exploring the potential connections between consciousness and physical phenomena, while others challenge the scientific basis of these ideas. The discussion remains unresolved, with no consensus on the nature of consciousness's influence on the physical universe.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight limitations in the current understanding of consciousness and its effects, particularly regarding the lack of empirical evidence and the speculative nature of some claims. The discussion also reflects a dependency on definitions of consciousness and physical interaction.

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I've recently set myself a personal task. And that's to understand consciousness.
Sure it seems like an impossible feat but I need to gain a bit more depth, every little helps. I've been trying to analyse different things in life. Behaviours of other individuals', my own behaviour, our interaction with other conscious individuals, e.t.c. Essentially I've just been trying to see what makes others tick. Sure you might think this falls under the purview of psychology, but I'm not trying to analyse people psychologically. I'm trying to see how they themselves can affect the world around them.

How can consciousness affect our physical universe in real time? Why does it affect it as such?

I just wanted to have a read on other thoughts people here might have to offer. All thoughts are welcome. I just wish to broaden my perception really.
 
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Assassin101236 said:
Summary:: I've recently set myself a personal task. And that's to understand consciousness.

How can consciousness affect our physical universe in real time? Why does it affect it as such?

Your consciousness would affect physical universe including my consciousness.
My consciousness would affect physical universe including your consciousness.
So I am skeptical about setting two categories, consciousness and physical universe.
 
Assassin101236 said:
How can consciousness affect our physical universe in real time?

I just consciously moved a pen from the right side of my desk to the left, thus affecting the physical universe.
 
Vanadium 50 said:
I just consciously moved a pen from the right side of my desk to the left, thus affecting the physical universe.

Right I understand that. But how can our perception and our conscious mind affect things like particles in the quantum realm? How do these things relate? Affecting the exact position of a pen makes sense but somehow affecting something that you cannot see, with your conscious mind, is just strange. Sure I understand no one knows the answer, but you might have some idea. It doesn't matter if it's right or wrong, just a thought would suffice.
 
This sounds a lot like new age woo.

For this to be scientific, there has to be a repeatable measurement somewhere. I don't see it.
 
Immortal68 said:
...somehow affecting something that you cannot see, with your conscious mind, is just strange.
Well, uh ... the brain is an electro-chemical device. It emits electrical signals that can be detected by probes.
So, technically, you can trigger the probes using "only your mind". We can amplify these and display them on a graph.
 
Immortal68 said:
But how can our perception and our conscious mind affect things like particles in the quantum realm?
To the best of our available knowledge only through our bodies.

We don’t do speculation here. If you find a suitable scientific study that you would like to discuss then please open a new thread to discuss that paper.
 

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