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The discussion centers around the concept of the principal value integral, particularly in the context of mathematical expressions and equations related to its evaluation. Participants explore definitions, properties, and specific examples of principal value integrals, as well as their applications in theoretical contexts.

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In one paper (PRL 89, 144101 (2002)),
[tex]k=<Tr\sigma>_{p.v.}[/tex], (1)
where p.v. stipulates a principal-value evaluation and
[tex]<f>=^{def}lim_{t\rightarrow\infty}t^{-1}\int_{0}^{t}f(\bar{t})d\bar{t}[/tex].

[tex]\sigma_{n+1}=(\sigma_{n}^{-1}+T)^{-1}-\nabla\nabla f(q_{n+1})[/tex], (2)

then the author deduces the following equation:
[tex]k=lim_{N\rightarrow\infty}\sum_{n=0}^{N-1}ln|det(1+\sigma_{n}T)|[/tex] (3).
Can you show me how to deduce the equation (3)?
Thank you!
 
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I have known how to deduce the equation (3)?
There is another equation:
[tex]\sigma (t)=(t+\sigma_{n}^{-1})^{-1}[/tex],
then
[tex]\int_{0}^{T}\sigma (t)=ln|det(1+\sigma_{n}T)|[/tex]
 
If [tex]x = x_0[/tex] is contained in the interval (a,b), then the Principal value of the Integral

[tex] \int_{a}^{b}f(x)dx[/tex]

is:

[tex]P.V. \int_{a}^{b}f(x)dx\ =\ lim_{\epsilon\rightarrow 0^+} [\int_{a}^{x_0-\epsilon}f(x)dx\ +\ \int_{x_0+\epsilon}^{b}f(x)dx][/tex]

Note that the two separated limits or their sum can not exist, but the limit of their sum can, as in the case

[tex]f(x) = 1/x;\ x_0\ =\ 0[/tex]:

in this case, the two separated limits are infinite: one -oo and the other +oo, so their sum doesn't exist, but the limit of the sum (the principal value) is zero.

See also:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cauchy_principal_value
 
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lightarrow said:
If [tex]x = x_0[/tex] is contained in the interval (a,b), then the Principal value of the Integral

[tex] \int_{a}^{b}f(x)dx[/tex]

is:

[tex]P.V. \int_{a}^{b}f(x)dx\ =\ lim_{\epsilon\rightarrow 0^+} [\int_{a}^{x_0-\epsilon}f(x)dx\ +\ \int_{x_0+\epsilon}^{b}f(x)dx][/tex]

Note that the two separated limits or their sum can not exist, but the limit of their sum can, as in the case

[tex]f(x) = 1/x;\ x_0\ =\ 0[/tex]:

in this case, the two separated limits are infinite: one -oo and the other +oo, so their sum doesn't exist, but the limit of the sum (the principal value) is zero.

See also:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cauchy_principal_value


Thank you! you have talked about the principal value integral very clearly.
 

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