What is the BTU load for a chiller to maintain a water bath temperature of 34 F?

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The discussion centers around calculating the BTU load required for a chiller to maintain a water bath temperature of 34 F, considering various factors such as product temperature, water loss, and ambient conditions. The context includes technical reasoning and calculations related to thermal dynamics in a cooling system.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant describes a scenario involving a 400-gallon water bath, with 5000 lbs of product entering at 40 F and water loss of 220 gallons per hour, leading to a temperature rise without chilling.
  • Questions arise regarding the fate of the lost water and its temperature, with one participant noting it is lost outside the system during transport or drying.
  • Several participants inquire about the temperature of the product leaving the bath and the specific heat of the product, with one participant stating it can be treated as water with a specific heat of 0.96 BTU/lb F.
  • One participant proposes a calculation for the BTU load based on the assumption of no heat gain from the room or makeup water, resulting in a figure of 28,800 BTU/hr.
  • There is a repeated inquiry about whether the chiller needs to chill the replenishment water and its starting temperature.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express various assumptions and conditions regarding the calculation, but there is no consensus on all aspects of the problem, particularly concerning the effects of ambient temperature and the specifics of water replenishment.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include assumptions about zero heat gain from the room and makeup water, which may not reflect real operating conditions. The discussion also highlights the variability in product dwell time in the bath.

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I have been wracking my head about this one... In other jobs I have sized chillers a few times but this one is a bit different.

We have a "Bath" of water, about 400 Gallons
The baths beginning temperature is 34 F
5000 lbs of product runs through this bath every hour at a temp of 40 F
Roughly 220 Gallons of water are lost each hour and replenished by water at 34 F

If there was no chilling system to maintain the water at 34 F then over the course of one hour the water temperature would reach about 38 F

Luckily there are pipes within the bath that flow cold water to maintain a bath temp of 34 F. I need to figure out the BTU load of the chiller needed to supply those cooling pipes to maintain a constant 34 F bath temperature.

Has anyone ever done something like this before? I have tried a few different things to get a rough estimation but my results are all over the place. Any input would be appreciated!
 
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Welcome, Dan.
Where those 220 lost gallons/h go to?
 
Lnewqban said:
Welcome, Dan.
Where those 220 lost gallons/h go to?

Thanks Lnewqban!

That water attaches to the product flowing through and is lost outside the system during transport or drying (it is recollected for other use but not again in this system)
 
What is the temperature of the product when it leaves the bath?
 
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Does the chiller also have to chill the replenishment water to 34C? If so what temperature does that water start at?
 
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In your "no chiller" experiment were you replenishing the lost water? If so what was that temperature?
 
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If I understand correctly:
1) Your makeup water is at the same temperature as the bath (34 F).
2) You are putting 5000 lbs/hr of product at 40 F into the bath.
3) Without the chiller, the bath temperature would rise from 34 F to 38 F in one hour. But you do not say if that temperature rise is from the ambient temperature around the bath, from the product, or both. We need to know that.
4) With the bath at 34 F, what is the temperature of the product leaving the bath?
5) What is the specific heat of the product?
6) Plus the answers to Posts #4, 5, and 6.
 
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DaveE said:
Does the chiller also have to chill the replenishment water to 34C? If so what temperature does that water start at?

-Ideally the Product would leave at 34 F, the product itself is organic and can be calculated as if it were just water.

-The water used to replenish is from a separate already existing chiller

-In the no chiller example I assumed no water loss just to get a baseline
 
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jrmichler said:
If I understand correctly:
1) Your makeup water is at the same temperature as the bath (34 F).
2) You are putting 5000 lbs/hr of product at 40 F into the bath.
3) Without the chiller, the bath temperature would rise from 34 F to 38 F in one hour. But you do not say if that temperature rise is from the ambient temperature around the bath, from the product, or both. We need to know that.
4) With the bath at 34 F, what is the temperature of the product leaving the bath?
5) What is the specific heat of the product?
6) Plus the answers to Posts #4, 5, and 6.

Hi jrmichler thanks for the reply, here are the answers:

1) Correct
2)Correct
3) The room is cooled, generally temperatures are between 35-40 F. So Ambient temperature shouldn't have a huge affect
4) Ideally 34 F but the dwell time of the product in the bath is variable from 45-90 seconds
5) Specific Heat is 0.96 btu/lb F
 
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If we assume:
1) Product enters the bath at 40 F, and leaves at 34 F.
2) Zero heat gain from the room.
3) Zero heat gain from makeup water.

Then the bath chiller calculation is as follows:
5000 lb/hr X 0.96 BTU/(lb F) X (40 - 34) F = 28,800 BTU/hr

Be sure to check the chiller capacity at your operating conditions - 34 F on the cold side, and warmest realistic temperature at the condenser (hot side).
 
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