What is the Correct Tangent Angle for Calculating Force on a Cylinder?

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The discussion revolves around calculating the force on a cylinder in a specific motion scenario involving angular speed and acceleration. The original poster (OP) is trying to determine the correct tangent angle needed for this calculation, initially stating a solution of 40.9° while another source suggests 30°.

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  • Participants question the clarity of the problem statement and the appropriateness of the formulas used by the OP. There are discussions about the derivation of terms and the dimensionality of expressions involved in the calculations.

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Some participants have provided clarifications regarding the mathematical expressions and assumptions made by the OP. There is an ongoing exploration of the correct approach to derive the necessary angle and the factors involved in the calculations.

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The OP's initial confusion stems from a language barrier and the complexity of the problem setup, which involves angular motion and the relationship between the lever and the cylinder. The discussion includes a focus on the correct application of calculus principles, particularly the chain rule.

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Homework Statement


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Calculate the force on the cilinder. You need the angle of the tangent and r.

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Down under here. The solution for the angle is 30°. But why does the formula I used did not work out?
My solution is 40,9°, why isn't this correct for this exercise?

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I do not understand the problem statement. It does not look like English to me.
 
Dr. Courtney said:
I do not understand the problem statement. It does not look like English to me.
It is the native language of your 8th president :wink:
To the OP: It is polite (and, I believe, according to the rules here) to translate your question entirely.
 
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Bauxiet said:

Homework Statement


The solution for the angle is 30°. But why does the formula I used did not work out?
My solution is 40,9°, why isn't this correct for this exercise?
Why do you have a factor of ##\dot{\theta}## in the denominator?
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Krylov said:
It is the native language of your 8th president :wink:
To the OP: It is polite (and, I believe, according to the rules here) to translate your question entirely.

Sorry guys, I didn't want to be inpolite. This is the translation:

The cylinder C can only move in the slot. The movement is described by r = 0,6*cos(theta) m. The lever OA turns left (counter clockwise) with an angular speed of 2 rad/s and has a angular acceleration of 0,8 rad/s^2 at the moment when theta = 30°. What is the force on the cylinder C at that moment. The cylinder touches only one side of the slot (without friction). The movement is horizontal.

I was solving this question. And I needed the angle between the lever and the tangentline of the cylinder. The formula is on my paper. I needed this to find the angles for my forces. But the fomula seems not to be correct. What did or do I wrong? Thanks guys! And sorry again, i did not want to be inpolite!
 
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TSny said:
Why do you have a factor of ##\dot{\theta}## in the denominator?
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Just derivate of the term above. Chain rule for derivates...?
 
Note that tanΨ is dimensionless. Is the right hand side of your expression for tanΨ dimensionless?
 
TSny said:
Why do you have a factor of ##\dot{\theta}## in the denominator?
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Just derivate of the term above. Chain rule for derivates...?

EDIT: Okay, this is my fault. The second term doesn't need to be there.

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I was confused because of the image above. I think that the derivate of above is dr/dt and that's why Theta has to be also be derived. (chain rule?). In this exercise it must be the derivate to theta and dsin(theta) /d(theta) = cos(theta). Because we have to derive to theta, when we apply the chainrule to theta, it is just a 1?

I think I got it, thank you guys very much!
 
Bauxiet said:
And sorry again, i did not want to be inpolite!
Geen zorgen (= don't worry), you fixed it just fine, nobody got hurt :wink:
 

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