What is the Dynamics Behind Protonium Formation?

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The discussion centers on the dynamics behind the formation of protonium, a temporary union of a proton and an antiproton. Participants explore the quantum mechanical principles that allow for this formation, the conditions under which annihilation does not occur immediately, and potential interactions involving "proton sea" and "antiproton sea." The conversation touches on theoretical and conceptual aspects of particle-antiparticle interactions.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant seeks to understand the quantum mechanical dynamics of protonium formation and questions why annihilation does not occur 100% of the time.
  • Another participant draws an analogy between protonium formation and the existence of larger cosmic structures, suggesting that not all matter collapses under gravitational forces immediately.
  • Discussion includes references to positronium as a more extensively studied counterpart, with implications for understanding protonium dynamics.
  • One participant mentions that the overlap of wave functions between the proton and antiproton affects the probability of annihilation, suggesting that partial overlap can lead to longer interaction times.
  • There are mentions of an antimatter engine concept that could utilize protonium or positronium, although details are sparse.
  • Another participant introduces the idea that the speed of light imposes limits on the interactions between particles, contributing to the observed delay before annihilation.
  • Heisenberg's Uncertainty Principle is referenced as a framework for understanding the limitations in measuring the annihilation process and the associated energy changes.

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Participants express various viewpoints on the dynamics of protonium formation and the reasons for its temporary existence. There is no consensus on the exact mechanisms or theories, and multiple competing ideas are presented throughout the discussion.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights uncertainties regarding the interactions between particles and the implications of quantum mechanics, but does not resolve these complexities or provide definitive answers.

Rade
At this link we see experimental evidence for Protonium, a union (unstable) of proton ion and antiproton ion:
http://www.infn.it/news/newsen.php?id=390
I wish to better understand the quantum mechanical dynamics of how protonium can be formed, even if for short period of time--that is, why not 100% annihilation--why any union at all ? Also, is there any theory of possible interactions of "proton sea" with "antiproton sea" to be part of the dynamics of the union ? Any help is appreciated--I hope this is the correct area to post this question.
 
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Is that kind of like asking why the solar system (or even a galaxy) exists at all, instead of everything immediately just surrendering to gravity (which you would expect to pull everything together into a single black hole)?
 
You can ask the same questions about positronium which has been extensively studied. There's surely a lot more literature out there about positronium than about protonium, so you might direct your search in that direction first.

As to why the particle and antiparticle don't simply annihilate each other immediately... If the wave functions of the two particles overlap only partially, then the probability of interaction depends on the amount of overlap, all other things being equal. The smaller the overlap, the longer you have to wait (on average) for an interaction to take place.
 
Not really to the question, but I remeber reading about an antimatter engine that would use protonium or positronium as fuel. I don't remember what it was called or where I saw it, but it was interesting if you want to look for it.
 
O yes its got a simple name. Its an anti matter engine, possibly might be used in the future for intergalactic travel.

As to why there's that really small pause, forces and reactions can't occur faster than the speed of light, even that small distance between the particles makes some difference. But yes, the best answer with the Copenhagen Interpretation is the wave function thing jtbell said.

Another way of thinking about this problem could be using Heisenberg's Uncertainty principle. You can't measure 2 conjugate variables with 100% accuracy at the same instant in time, even theoretically with perfect apparatus. There is one about energy and time. To tell if the annihilation has occurred, we must measure the change in energy, which he can't measure perfectly with time :)
 

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