What is the evidence against hidden variable theories?

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The discussion centers on the arguments against hidden variable theories in the context of quantum mechanics. Participants explore the implications of Bell's Theorem and other related theorems, questioning the validity of hidden variable theories and their alignment with observed phenomena.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants reference Bell's Theorem, which suggests that no local hidden variable theory can reproduce all predictions of quantum mechanics.
  • Others argue that Bell's Theorem does not necessarily refute the possibility of hidden variables, suggesting that interpretations of the theorem may be misrepresented.
  • One participant mentions the Kochen-Specker Theorem as another example of a "no-go" theorem that challenges hidden variable theories.
  • There is a call for further reading and exploration of the topic, including references to accessible papers and books on quantum mechanics and hidden variables.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the implications of Bell's Theorem, with some asserting it rules out hidden variable theories while others contest this interpretation. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the validity and implications of hidden variable theories.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight the complexity of the arguments surrounding hidden variable theories and the interpretations of Bell's Theorem, indicating that assumptions and definitions may vary among different viewpoints.

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"Hidden variables theories", what is the main arguments that these probably isn't theories of our universe?
What kind of observations in a "hidden variable theory" would be diffrent from what we observe? And why are they different?

Can someone please give some basic answears and maybe point me in the right direction for further reading.

Sorry if this has already been answeard but i have searched and not found any good topics or information anywhere.

Thanks
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Gravito said:
"Hidden variables theories", what is the main arguments that these probably isn't theories of our universe?
What kind of observations in a "hidden variable theory" would be diffrent from what we observe? And why are they different?

Can someone please give some basic answears and maybe point me in the right direction for further reading.

Sorry if this has already been answeard but i have searched and not found any good topics or information anywhere.

Thanks
/Gravito

The usual argument goes back to Bell's Theorem, which essentially states as follows:

"No physical theory of local Hidden Variables can ever reproduce all of the predictions of Quantum Mechanics."

You can helpful links to learn more about this from my web page on the subject: Bell's Theorem: An Overview with Lotsa Links. There are also many "no-go" theorems which purport to also rule out hidden variables. The Kochen-Specker Theorem is an example.
 
Thank you very much.. :)

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DrChinese said:
The usual argument goes back to Bell's Theorem, which essentially states as follows:

"No physical theory of local Hidden Variables can ever reproduce all of the predictions of Quantum Mechanics."

Sure. On the other hand, the *correct* argument (which BTW is also Bell's argument) is that Bell's Theorem has nothing to do with refuting the possibility of hidden variables. Perhaps Dr C is correct that, according to the masses, Bell's theorem shows that hidden variable theories aren't possible. But, if that's so, the masses are simply wrong. Read Bell's (nice accessible) papers. Read Maudlin's excellent book "Quantum Nonlocal and Relativity." Don't just follow the masses.
 

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