What is the explanation for the strange angle result in this trapezoid problem?

Click For Summary

Homework Help Overview

The discussion revolves around a trapezoid problem involving angles and side lengths, specifically focusing on the calculation of angle ADC and its implications within the shape's geometry.

Discussion Character

  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants explore the relationship between angles in trapezoids and parallelograms, questioning the validity of visual cues in determining angle measures. There is mention of using the law of cosines and the law of sines to find unknown lengths and angles.

Discussion Status

Participants are actively engaging with each other's reasoning, with some suggesting that visual interpretations may not align with mathematical results. There is a recognition of the complexity of sine functions and their properties, which has led to further exploration of angle relationships.

Contextual Notes

Some participants express confusion regarding the angles in the trapezoid, particularly in relation to the assumption that angle DAC could be a right angle if the shape were a parallelogram. The discussion reflects a mix of understanding and uncertainty about the properties of the trapezoid and the calculations involved.

Femme_physics
Gold Member
Messages
2,548
Reaction score
1

Homework Statement



http://img69.imageshack.us/img69/281/trap01.jpg

AC and AC both equal 13. The given angles are in the pic.

The Attempt at a Solution



Attached. Why do I get angle ADC 70? It doesn't make visual sense, and I was told by a very smart person to always trust my visual cues! So I know for sure I've made a mistake somewhere, I'm just not sure where.
 

Attachments

  • trap02.jpg
    trap02.jpg
    23.3 KB · Views: 534
Last edited by a moderator:
Physics news on Phys.org
Hi femme_physics =)

Angle ADC = 70 degrees IF the shape is a parallelogram, which would mean DAC is a right angle. As this is obviously a trapezoid, I suggest you don't follow your visual cue here =)

I don't remember much of the method of finding angles of non-right angled triangles, but I vaguely remember needing the length of 2 sides and an angle, or something like that, possibly the law of cosines?? Sorry I can't be of more help (if I helped at all :P)
 
Are you telling me that angle BAC does not equal angle ACD?
 
Not at all, I'm stating that the angle of DAC would be a right angle if it was a parellelogram, aka your answer of 70 degrees. I think you're right about those two angles being the same, again, don't know much about similar triangles as I haven't done them for years. Assuming you are right, you now have an angle (ACD) in the scalene triangle, the top half of the shape. You're already given one side (AD), and you can find the length of AC from the right angled triangle, so now I think you can use the law of cosines to find the length of the CD and then re-input these to find your desired angle =)
 
Not at all, I'm stating that the angle of DAC would be a right angle if it was a parellelogram, aka your answer of 70 degrees
Yes, that's what confuses me! The result shows 70 degrees, the visual does not.

Assuming you are right

Wait, if this is right then why isn't the rest of my calculation right? Law of Sines seems perfectly legitimate way to do it.
 
Hi FP,
Femme_physics said:
Are you telling me that angle BAC does not equal angle ACD?

These angles are the same.


Your problem is that sin is a funny function.
Did you know that sin(70) = sin(110)?
 
Did you know that sin(70) = sin(110)?
!

AHA!

ILS to the rescue! :DSo friggin' tricky! I knew that each angle over 90 has its 0-90 correspondent angle, it just didn't occur to me! Would've never come up with it on my own. Thank you. I will keep trusting my visual cues :)
 
Whoops, completely forgot that fact, should've been the first thing haha, thanks I like Serena =)
 
Thank you!
(Although I feel slightly undeserving for such gratitude with only a small remark.)

Very visually acute!
 

Similar threads

  • · Replies 1 ·
Replies
1
Views
3K
  • · Replies 8 ·
Replies
8
Views
5K
  • · Replies 7 ·
Replies
7
Views
4K
  • · Replies 9 ·
Replies
9
Views
4K