What is the [H3O+] When Mixing Formic Acid and NaOH?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around calculating the concentration of hydronium ions ([H3O+]) when mixing a specific volume and concentration of formic acid with sodium hydroxide (NaOH). The context includes homework-related problem-solving involving acid-base chemistry and buffer systems.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents a detailed calculation using an ICE chart to determine the equilibrium concentration of hydronium ions, concluding with a pH of 13.97.
  • Another participant suggests that the ICE table approach may not be appropriate for this buffer-related question and refers to a similar buffer calculation example.
  • There is mention of the neutralization of formic acid by hydroxide ions and a suggestion to use the Henderson-Hasselbalch equation due to the concentrations of the conjugate species being in a mid-range.
  • A later reply expresses gratitude for the clarification regarding the buffer concept, indicating some confusion about the role of NaOH in the context of buffers.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the best approach to solve the problem. There are competing views on the appropriateness of using an ICE table versus a buffer calculation method.

Contextual Notes

Participants express uncertainty regarding the calculations and the implications of the results, particularly concerning the expected pH of the solution after mixing.

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Students and individuals interested in acid-base chemistry, buffer systems, and those seeking to understand the calculations involved in mixing acids and bases.

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Homework Statement


800ml sample of 2.00 molar formic acid HCOOH (or HA) ismixed with 200ml of a 4.80 molar NaOH. Calculate the [H3O+] of the resulting solution.


Homework Equations


(for buffers) pH=pKa-log(HA/A-)
Ka for formic acid is 1.8x10-4
pH=14-pOH
[H+]=(1.00x10-14)/([OH-)

The Attempt at a Solution


Well, I used an ICE chart of formic acid with water to find the concentration of hydronium ions at equilibrium, which came out to be 1.7x10-2M, and used some stoichiometry to figure out that there are 0.960 moles of NaOH, and thus, .960 moles of OH-.I subtracted the amount of hydronium ions from the moles of hydroxide ions (since the total volume happens to be one liter), and found this to be my concentration of hydroxide ions, .943M. Using the formula above to calculate hydronium ion concentration from hydroxide ions and the ionization constant for water at 25 degrees celsius, which we assume this is at, I derived the concentration of hydronium ions to be 1.1x10-14, which gives a pH of 13.97.
I was expecting a basic solution since there was so much hydroxide ions added, but this number just seems surreal. I appreciate any comments.


ICE Chart of Formic Acid:
HA + H2O <--> A- + H3O+
I 1.6 0 0
C -x +x +x
E 1.6-x x x
(sorry it all got squished together, but to clear things up, the water column was left blank)

1.8x10-4=(x2)/(1.6-x)
Assuming the x is negligabile to 1.6 gives us:
x=1.7x10-2
 
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Swerting said:

Homework Statement


800ml sample of 2.00 molar formic acid HCOOH (or HA) ismixed with 200ml of a 4.80 molar NaOH. Calculate the [H3O+] of the resulting solution.


Homework Equations


(for buffers) pH=pKa-log(HA/A-)
Ka for formic acid is 1.8x10-4
pH=14-pOH
[H+]=(1.00x10-14)/([OH-)

The Attempt at a Solution


Well, I used an ICE chart of formic acid with water to find the concentration of hydronium ions at equilibrium, which came out to be 1.7x10-2M, and used some stoichiometry to figure out that there are 0.960 moles of NaOH, and thus, .960 moles of OH-.I subtracted the amount of hydronium ions from the moles of hydroxide ions (since the total volume happens to be one liter), and found this to be my concentration of hydroxide ions, .943M. Using the formula above to calculate hydronium ion concentration from hydroxide ions and the ionization constant for water at 25 degrees celsius, which we assume this is at, I derived the concentration of hydronium ions to be 1.1x10-14, which gives a pH of 13.97.
I was expecting a basic solution since there was so much hydroxide ions added, but this number just seems surreal. I appreciate any comments.


ICE Chart of Formic Acid:
HA + H2O <--> A- + H3O+
I 1.6 0 0
C -x +x +x
E 1.6-x x x
(sorry it all got squished together, but to clear things up, the water column was left blank)

1.8x10-4=(x2)/(1.6-x)
Assuming the x is negligabile to 1.6 gives us:
x=1.7x10-2

Formic acid is neutralized by the hydroxide its mole value is

1.6 - 0.96

Divide this by the new volume to find the new concentration of formic acid. Then use the Ka equation as you have set up to find your answer ; you may actually be able to use the Henderson Hasselbach equation since the relative conjugate concentrations seem to be in mid range.
 
Thank you so much!
I figured that it had something to do with buffers, but I couldn't see it with the NaOH.
Thank you again for your replies.
 

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