What is the impact of science on our daily lives?

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The discussion centers around the impact of science on daily life, exploring various aspects such as technological advancements, medical progress, and the ethical implications of scientific applications. Participants reflect on the benefits and drawbacks of scientific developments in both everyday contexts and broader societal issues.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants express gratitude for scientific advancements that have led to mass production of goods, medical innovations, and conveniences like soft toilet paper.
  • Others argue that the benefits of medical advances are not equally accessible to the general population, citing issues like administrative barriers and national healthcare limitations.
  • There is a contention regarding the role of engineering versus science in the development of military technologies, with some attributing the responsibility to engineering applications.
  • One participant suggests that the motivation for scientific inquiry is primarily driven by curiosity and enjoyment, while engineering is more financially motivated.
  • Concerns are raised about ecological catastrophes and resource depletion potentially hindering technological progress and humanity's future in space exploration.
  • Some participants challenge the notion that current medical advances are widely available, referencing personal anecdotes and historical comparisons to emphasize waiting times and access issues.
  • A distinction is made between the goals of science (understanding) and engineering (problem-solving), with references to historical figures in the field.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

The discussion features multiple competing views, particularly regarding the accessibility of medical advancements and the roles of science and engineering. There is no consensus on the implications of scientific progress or the effectiveness of current healthcare systems.

Contextual Notes

Participants express varying opinions on the impact of nationalized healthcare systems on access to medical treatments, highlighting the complexity of healthcare availability and the influence of administrative processes.

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So the universe stuff is so (out there) that very few understand it, and it may not even be half right, the Earthly stuff is about making gadgets cheaper and easier to produce, Thank you science for all my mass produced tasteless food, and the electronic gizmos, and thanks for all the medical advances ,that i assure you do not get to the general population, and thank you for all the military weaponry.
But most of all thank you for double soft toilet paper.
 
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wolram said:
So the universe stuff is so (out there) that very few understand it, and it may not even be half right,

I think we would be ecstatic if we had 10% of it correct, right now.

wolram said:
the Earthly stuff is about making gadgets cheaper and easier to produce, Thank you science for all my mass produced tasteless food,

You're confusing science with the people who use the science for applications. Obviously, the fault of Engineering!
wolram said:
and thanks for all the medical advances ,that i assure you do not get to the general population,

The latest medical advances are more available to the general population than they have been in the entire history of the planet.
wolram said:
and thank you for all the military weaponry

Another Engineering applications problem.
wolram said:
But most of all thank you for double soft toilet paper.

Science accepts your gratitude.
 
The latest medical advances are more available to the general population than they have been in the entire history of the planet.

You think so, join the waiting list :smile: in my view 90% of all medical advances has been swallowed up with administration.
 
Perhaps it's what people are about. We have advanced weaponry to either defend ourselves or to conquer to acquire more resources so we can survive and not them.
 
Originally Posted by wolram
and thank you for all the military weaponry
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Another Engineering applications problem.

So you science guys say, hey we have figuered out how to harness the atom, may be we can make a better bomb, and the engieers start work on it.
 
wolram said:
So you science guys say, hey we have figuered out how to harness the atom, may be we can make a better bomb, and the engieers start work on it.
That's not quite correct. First we figure out the bomb, then we call the president to say "You must do it for the the people", and finally, a few months later, we send him a letter to notify that we changed our mind.
 
I can only hope that humankind in this century can secure its position in the universe by spreading to other planets in the solar system, otherwise we would be all caught up in a catastrophe of ecology and resources on Earth, which, if wouldn't destroy the mankind completely, could completely stop our technological progress for a long, long while...
 
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I can only hope that humankind in this century can secure its position in the universe by spreading to other planets in the solar system, otherwise we would be all caught up in a catastrophe of ecology and resources on Earth, which, if wouldn't destroy the mankind completely, could completely stop our technological progress for a long, long while...


A wish i comply with, but is just wishful thinking, mankind can not even get to Mars without huge finances, a drain that is more directed to Eathly problems.
 
The main motivation for science is fun. Engineers love building new things (at least I do!) and scientists love discovering new things (at least I do when I put on my science cap). People do science because they love to do it. Engineering is more motivated by money, but still most engineers still love engineering.

All the goodies are just side effects of this fun.
 
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wolram said:
and thanks for all the medical advances ,that i assure you do not get to the general population,
That may be a problem with your nationalized medical coverage in the UK.

In the past week I have watched two documentaries on UK citizens that had to come to the US to get cutting edge medical treatment not allowed/payed for in the UK.

One was a life saving operation for a baby that had a rare genetic problem that caused bleeding in her brain. The surgery was not covered by the nationalized medical coverage in the UK.
 
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wolram said:
The latest medical advances are more available to the general population than they have been in the entire history of the planet.

You think so, join the waiting list :smile: in my view 90% of all medical advances has been swallowed up with administration.

the trick is learning to speak spanish. and coming to america.
 
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wolram said:
The latest medical advances are more available to the general population than they have been in the entire history of the planet.

You think so, join the waiting list :smile: in my view 90% of all medical advances has been swallowed up with administration.


How long was the waiting list in the 7th century?
 
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Wolram,
By now you should understand the difference between science and engineering. The goal of science is to understand. The goal of engineering is to solve practical problems and to design. You may be interested in the statement of Edward Teller about this; the Responsibilities of the Scientist. There was a televised, recorded interview in which he discussed this, but the broadcast must have been more than 10 years ago.
 
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Evo said:
That may be a problem with your nationalized medical coverage in the UK.

In the past week I have watched two documentaries on UK citizens that had to come to the US to get cutting edge medical treatment not allowed/payed for in the UK.

I don't think that's a problem. I wouldn't expect any country in the world to be able to provide every bit of cutting edge medical treatment, let alone a little island like the UK!
 

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