What is the key parameter in fusion: momentum or energy?

Click For Summary

Discussion Overview

The discussion centers on the key parameters influencing fusion reactions, specifically whether momentum or energy is more critical. Participants explore theoretical implications, practical considerations, and the relationship between kinetic energy and momentum in the context of fusion processes.

Discussion Character

  • Debate/contested
  • Technical explanation
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that the conservation of kinetic energy in transmutation reactions implies a potential reconsideration of using kinetic momentum instead of energy for fusion cross-section data.
  • Another participant argues that the relationship between kinetic energy and momentum is fixed for given particle types, indicating that reference frames do not alter this relationship significantly.
  • A different viewpoint emphasizes that accelerating two particles towards each other requires less energy compared to accelerating one particle against a fixed target, although practical challenges exist with collider setups.
  • One participant counters that achieving the same approaching speeds with one particle fixed requires significantly more energy, presenting a mathematical example to illustrate this point.
  • Another participant reinforces this disagreement by comparing the scenario to a car crash test, arguing that while moving a wall (analogous to a target) may seem to save energy, the practical overhead makes it less advantageous.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express significant disagreement regarding the implications of momentum versus energy in fusion reactions. Multiple competing views remain, with no consensus reached on which parameter is more critical.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights uncertainties regarding the practical applications of theoretical concepts, including the feasibility of collider experiments versus fixed targets and the complexities involved in achieving desired energy levels in fusion reactions.

Javier Lopez
Messages
74
Reaction score
3
The released products of a transmutation reaction (I say transmutation when 2 particles reacts to generate more than one) follows the conservation of kinetic energy law. Also particles moving in opposite direction can have equal speed one with respect the other than rather if one of them is static.
In other ways almost all the fusion cross section data are taken using a static target.

(In other way when a charge that goes again a nucleous it follows integral of E*q/r^2 with respect distance that is F*x that is energy, but that is true for large distance due short range forces are not present)

It is possible that the cross section horizontal axe should be the kinetic momentum instead of energy?
It is useful as long as accordingly kinetic momentum is better to accelerate both particles one again other due less energy is involved.
 
Last edited:
Physics news on Phys.org
It doesn't matter which reference frame you use, and kinetic energy and momentum have a fixed relation for given particle types.
In the lab frame you reach the same center of mass energy with less energy if you accelerate both particles, but that can be less practical (you can't accelerate a solid target that fast, and collider schemes have much lower luminosity than fixed target experiments).
 
I do not agree at all, E=.5*m*v^2 of one particle needs a lot more energy for the same approaching speeds than accelerate one again other.
As example if both particles have the same weight E1=.5*m*v1^2 with one of them fixed
And if both cames in opposite direction at v1/2 we have: E2=m*v1^2/4, that is a half of the energy E1
The problem as you said is that the "collider" system is a lot more difficult to achieve.
If there is a bigger difference between a particle and the other the advantage is less
 
Javier Lopez said:
I do not agree at all, E=.5*m*v^2 of one particle needs a lot more energy for the same approaching speeds than accelerate one again other.
A factor 2 for symmetric reactions. Yes. So what?

A car crash test needs less energy if you make the wall move as well. That doesn't mean it would be useful to do so, moving the wall adds so much overhead to the test that it becomes much more expensive, and you probably don't even save energy in the end due to all this overhead.
 

Similar threads

  • · Replies 1 ·
Replies
1
Views
3K
  • · Replies 2 ·
Replies
2
Views
3K
  • · Replies 14 ·
Replies
14
Views
4K
  • · Replies 5 ·
Replies
5
Views
3K
  • · Replies 1 ·
Replies
1
Views
3K
  • · Replies 29 ·
Replies
29
Views
5K
  • · Replies 28 ·
Replies
28
Views
3K
  • · Replies 4 ·
Replies
4
Views
3K
  • · Replies 5 ·
Replies
5
Views
2K
  • · Replies 5 ·
Replies
5
Views
2K