What Is the Origin of the Last x! in the Factorial Equation (x + y)!?

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The discussion centers around the factorial equation (x + y)! and specifically seeks to understand the origin and justification for the inclusion of the term x! in the expanded form of the equation. The scope includes conceptual clarification and mathematical reasoning related to factorials.

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  • Conceptual clarification
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions the origin of the last x! in the equation (x + y)! = (x + y)(x + y - 1)(x + y - 2)...(x + 1)x!.
  • Another participant provides a mathematical expansion of (x + y)! and rewrites the rightmost factors as x!.
  • A participant expresses confusion about the reasoning behind multiplying by (x + 1)(x)(x - 1)...(2)(1) and notes that y seems to disappear through subtraction.
  • Another participant reiterates the definition of factorial, emphasizing that the calculation must continue down to 1, thus justifying the inclusion of all terms down to x!.
  • A concrete example is suggested to clarify the concept, illustrating the factorial calculation with specific values for x and y.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying levels of understanding regarding the factorial equation, with some seeking clarification on the reasoning behind the steps involved. There is no consensus reached on the conceptual understanding, as confusion remains for some participants.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights the importance of understanding the definition of factorial and how it applies to the equation, but does not resolve the participants' differing levels of comprehension or the specific reasoning behind each step.

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Why is it that (x + y)!=(x + y)(x + y - 1)(x + y - 2)...(x + 1)x!
Where did the last "x!" come from?

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$$(x+y)! = (x+y)(x+y-1)(x+y-2)\ldots(x+1)(x)(x-1)\ldots(2)(1)$$
Now just rewrite the rightmost factors ##(x)(x-1)\ldots(2)(1)## as ##x!##.
 
Thank you for your quick reply. I got the form you required, but still I have the concept missing. If you don't mind explaining why did we multiply by (x+1)(x)(x−1)…(2)(1)? It seems like we get to a place where y disappears by subtraction but then again why did we add the term (x+1) and so on?
 
M. next said:
Thank you for your quick reply. I got the form you required, but still I have the concept missing. If you don't mind explaining why did we multiply by (x+1)(x)(x−1)…(2)(1)? It seems like we get to a place where y disappears by subtraction but then again why did we add the term (x+1) and so on?
The definition of the factorial of any number ##n## is ##(n)(n-1)\ldots(2)(1)##, i.e., you must keep subtracting until you get all the way down to ##1##. Therefore, when calculating ##(x+y)!##, you don't stop when you get to ##x##; you must continue all the way to ##1##.
 
Try it with a concrete example if it's still unclear. For example, if ##x = 3## and ##y = 4##, then ##x+y = 7##, and ##(x+y)! = 7! = (7)(6)(5)(4)(3)(2)(1) = (7)(6)(5)(4)3!##.
 
Thank you a lot!
 

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