What Is the Percent Composition of Sodium Oxalate in the Sample?

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The discussion revolves around calculating the percent composition of sodium oxalate in a sample based on a titration with potassium permanganate. Participants explore the necessary steps and calculations involved in determining the mass of sodium oxalate present in the sample.

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  • Homework-related
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Main Points Raised

  • One participant outlines the initial problem, stating the need to find the percent sodium oxalate by dividing the grams of sodium oxalate by the total sample mass and multiplying by 100.
  • Another participant questions the approach taken to relate the volume of potassium permanganate used to the calculation.
  • A participant mentions calculating the moles of potassium permanganate based on its concentration and volume, indicating a misunderstanding of the calculation process.
  • One participant reports finding the moles of permanganate and subsequently calculates the grams of sodium oxalate, arriving at a percent composition of 13.95%.
  • Another participant provides a slightly different mass of sodium oxalate, suggesting variations in molar mass used may account for the discrepancy.

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Participants express differing views on the calculation methods, with some uncertainty about the correct approach to finding the grams of sodium oxalate. There is no consensus on the final percent composition, as calculations yield slightly different results.

Contextual Notes

Participants do not clarify certain assumptions regarding the purity of the sample or the completeness of the reaction, which may affect the calculations.

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I have been suck on a problem for days:

We dissolve 3.778g of a sample that contains some sodium oxalate, Na_2C_2O_4, in water and acidify the solution with excess sulfuic acid. The sample requires 18.74 mL of 0.08395 M KMnO_4, potassium permanganate, for complete reaction according to the reaction below. What is the percent Na_2C_2O_4 in the sample? Assume that no other component reacts with the potassium permanganate.

8H_2SO_4 + 2KMnO_4 + 5Na_2C_2O_4 --> 8H_2O + 2MnSO_4 + 10CO_2 + 5Na_2SO_4 + K_2SO_4

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Now, I know the objective is to find %sodium oxalate by dividing (grams of sodium oxalate over 3.778 g of solution) times 100.

I know in one mole of sodium oxalate there's 133.996 g of sodium oxalate.

In order to find g of sodium oxalate:
(0.08395 M permanganate / 0.01874 L) * (5 mol sodium oxalate / 2 mol permanganate) * (133.996 g sodium oxalate / 1 mol sodium oxalate) but this gives me sodium oxalate/L

How do I find just the grams so I can plug that into my % formula?
 
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sami23 said:
(0.08395 M permanganate / 0.01874 L)

What are you trying to do here?
 
Since the sample requires 18.74 mL of 0.08395 potassium permanganate, I thought that's how it was related. I've omitted that part from my equation now.
 
You have to use these things to calculate number of moles of permanganate - but not dividing them...
 
So I found the moles of permanganate as 1.5732 x 10^-3 by multiplying 0.08395M and 0.0187 L. Then I got my sodium oxilate grams as 0.52701 g. I plugged that to my % formula and got 13.95%. I hope I did it correct. Seems reasonable to me.
 
Seems OK. I got 0.5269g, but that's most likely because of the difference in molar masses used.
 
Thanks so much!
 

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