What is the Purpose of Life: Building a Belief System or Knowledge System?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the philosophical inquiry into the purpose of life, particularly focusing on the relationship between desire and wholeness. Participants explore various interpretations of life's purpose, the nature of desire, and the implications of belief systems versus knowledge systems.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Debate/contested
  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants suggest that the purpose of life may be to achieve wholeness, with desire being a source of unwholeness, but they question the underlying cause of desire.
  • Others propose that for some individuals, the purpose of life could be to discover their own purpose, which may not necessarily involve the concept of wholeness.
  • A participant argues that desire arises from pleasure, prompting further inquiry into the nature of pleasure and its relation to sensory experience.
  • One participant expresses confusion over the vagueness of the discussion, indicating that there are multiple interpretations of the topic.
  • Another participant introduces the idea that evolution and survival may be fundamental causes of desire, suggesting that desires are linked to inherited urges that promote survival.
  • Some participants challenge the notion of a universal purpose or value system, suggesting that beliefs about purpose are subjective and varied.
  • A later reply questions the validity of widely accepted philosophical views, seeking clarification on who determines these acceptances.
  • There is a suggestion to focus on building a knowledge system rather than a belief system, emphasizing personal ownership of beliefs.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a range of views on the purpose of life and the nature of desire, indicating that there is no consensus. Some agree on the subjective nature of beliefs, while others contest the interpretations of desire and wholeness.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the complexity and vagueness of philosophical discussions, highlighting the difficulty in reaching clear definitions or conclusions regarding concepts like desire and purpose.

Skhandelwal
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Somewhere along the path, I've realized that I have been going the wrong direction...instead of finding the truth...I was actually trying to say, "I am right and you are not" So the old questions have sprung against and I feel clueless, any sort of help will be highly appreciated.

To begin with, this is a hot shot question for me:

I understand that our purpose of life is to become whole and desire is the cause of unwholeness...but what is the cause of desire?
 
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Skhandelwal said:
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I understand that our purpose of life is to become whole and desire is the cause of unwholeness...but what is the cause of desire?

Maybe for some, the purpose of life is to find 'their purpose of life' and they might not care about becoming whole--unless they determine that really is their purpose of life. They might also find that fulfilling desires is the best way to become whole--depending on what the desires are, of course.
 
I believe that desire arives b/c of pleasure. But what about pleasure? if by senses then would we be enlightened w/o senses.
 
Which is more important to you being seen as someone brilliant who knows the truth, or being see as an idiot who has only foggy notions of the truth?
It's a deceptively simple question but everyone makes a choice and there are many types of intellectuals out there not all of which were meant to be true intellectuals.
 
Was that off topic or did I not get you?
 
Just think about it.
 
I am not getting it...there are way too many interpretations, it is way too vague.
 
Skhandelwal said:
I am not getting it...there are way too many interpretations, it is way too vague.

Welcome to philosophy...

I just now hope the philosophy forum doesn't stone me for blasphemy.
 
Alright but that definitely doesn't answer the question...
 
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Skhandelwal said:
I understand that our purpose of life is to become whole and desire is the cause of unwholeness...but what is the cause of desire?

Disclaimer 1: I see no evidence that life has a purpose or that we have one by virtue of being alive.
Disclaimer 2: I don't know what "unwholeness" represents or how desire causes it.

This being out of the way, at least I have an opinion on the causes of desire: evolution and survival. During the course of evolution, creatures whose design caused them to react to their environment in a particular manner happened to survive and reproduce while other creatures that reacted in a different manner did not. As reaction (nervous) systems improved, sensors allowed creatures to physically seek out what they needed to survive. I see this as basic desire: an inherited urge towards environmental situations analogous to what has so far allowed the ancestors of a creature to survive. These urges do not need to be perfectly accurate to be effective. A desire trigger may only be somewhat related to what is truly beneficial; it can even be completely misleading. But overall, a population that reacts to desire triggers should be more likely to have surviving individuals who procreate compared to a population devoid of any desire where individuals are so content that they simply lie down and die off. You see this in heroin addicts who appear to be in such bliss that nothing else matters so they don't even bother to eat. Desire is good. It keeps you moving.
 
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Hello...this is philosophy, and believe it or not, this is the most widely accepted philosophy.
 
  • #12
Skhandelwal said:
Somewhere along the path, I've realized that I have been going the wrong direction...instead of finding the truth...I was actually trying to say, "I am right and you are not" So the old questions have sprung against and I feel clueless, any sort of help will be highly appreciated.

To begin with, this is a hot shot question for me:

I understand that our purpose of life is to become whole and desire is the cause of unwholeness...but what is the cause of desire?

1) There is no purpose or meaning to life. Everyone has a different value system, but there is no universal value system.
2) Did you steal the whole "desire is the cause of unwholeness" out of Buddhism?
 
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Skhandelwal said:
Hello...this is philosophy, and believe it or not, this is the most widely accepted philosophy.

Can you prove this? I know very little about philosophy, so knowing what's most widely accepted (by who, anyway?) would be a nice way to start things off.
 
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Alright guys, forget it, this is not a debate, but a post by me so I could get some help on solving my problem. You don't have to believe anything I say...but please try to help on building up my own belief system.(just to clear somethings up, most of the religions have the same belief. That makes up the majority I think.)
 
  • #15
Skhandelwal said:
Alright guys, forget it, this is not a debate, but a post by me so I could get some help on solving my problem. You don't have to believe anything I say...but please try to help on building up my own belief system.(just to clear somethings up, most of the religions have the same belief. That makes up the majority I think.)

Instead of building up your belief system, why not build up your knowledge system? You don't need any justification or assistance for your beliefs. They're YOUR BELIEFS. What was the point of this thread again?
 

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