What is the Relationship Between Leak Rates and Different Gases?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the relationship between leak rates and different gases, specifically focusing on how to determine the equivalent leak rate when changing from hydrogen to gases like nitrogen or oxygen. The context includes considerations of pressure, temperature, and flow rate.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Technical explanation, Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant inquires about calculating the equivalent leak rate for different gases given known values of pressure, temperature, and flow rate.
  • Another participant suggests that comparing the viscosity of hydrogen with that of the other gases could help determine the leak rate, noting that the leak rate decreases proportionally to viscosity.
  • A third participant introduces the concept of compressible flow and references the ideal gas law, indicating that the gas constant varies with the type of gas used.
  • A link to Graham's Law is provided, which may relate to the discussion but is not elaborated upon in the thread.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants present different approaches to understanding leak rates with no consensus on a single method or conclusion. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the best way to calculate the equivalent leak rates for different gases.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations regarding the assumptions made about gas behavior and the specific conditions under which the leak rates are measured. The dependence on viscosity and the ideal gas law introduces additional complexity that is not fully explored.

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Hi Everyone,

I have a problem that I've been working on and I'm having a little trouble. Essentially I have a tank with a known leak rate at a given pressure and temperature. We are currently using hydrogen, but I need to know what the equivalent leak rate would be if we changed the gas to say nitrogen or oxygen. Assuming I have the known values of pressure, temperature, and flow rate, would it be possible to determine the leak rate that we would be detect if we input a different gas and pressurized to the same pressure as before?

Thanks in advance
 
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if you know that leak occurs at tank sealing, it should be sufficient to compare the viscosity of the hydrogen and of the gas you are supposed to utilize. The leak (dot_q) decrease proportionally to the viscosity (eta) as dot_q propto 1/eta.

M
 
Basically, for a gas, you need to understand compressible flow
Fundamental equation
PV=nRT or see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ideal_gas_law

n is basically your gas constant that is different for the type of gas you have.
 

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