What Is the Schwarz-Hora Effect and Its Implications on Quantum Mechanics?

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The discussion revolves around the Schwarz-Hora effect, an experimental observation related to electron beams and laser interactions that reportedly challenges conventional Quantum Mechanics explanations. Participants explore the implications of this effect, its reproducibility in experiments, and potential theoretical frameworks that could account for it.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant describes the original 1968 experiment by H. Schwarz, noting its unexpected results that could not be explained by Quantum Mechanics.
  • Another participant references experiments by Andrick and Langhans that relate to the modulation process in electron scattering at laser-irradiated gas, suggesting these may provide insights into the Schwarz-Hora effect.
  • A participant expresses interest in the work of H. De Raedt, proposing that deterministic local explanations might be possible for the Schwarz-Hora effect, inspired by concepts from zitterbewegung.
  • There is a mention of the need for further experimental and theoretical investigations into the effect, including questions about the types of measurements that could be conducted, such as spectroscopy and autocorrelation.
  • One participant expresses a willingness to support further research into the Schwarz-Hora effect, indicating an openness to collaboration.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the reproducibility of the Schwarz-Hora effect or its theoretical implications. Multiple competing views and questions remain regarding the effect's interpretation and the necessary experimental validation.

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Limitations include the lack of established experimental confirmations of the Schwarz-Hora effect and the dependence on various theoretical interpretations that are still under discussion.

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In 1968, H. Schwarz, while trying to modulate an electron beam with optical frequency, discovered that when a 50 keV electron beam was diffracted by a thin crystalline dielectric film illumnated with a laser, electrons produced a diffraction pattern on a non florescent target with the spots of the same color as the color of the laser light illuminating the crystal.

It was noted the results of the experiment could not be explained by Quantum Mechanics.

Does anyone know if this experiment has been repeated, or if a successful Quantum Mechanical explanation is availabe?

H. Schwarz, Bull. Am. Phys. Soc. 13, 897 (1968).
 
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To the question whether the effect has been reproduced by other authors I refer to the experiments by Andrick and Langhans about the modulation process measured by electron scattering at laser irradiated gas, see reference

H. Hora, and P.H. Handel, Advances in Elecronics and Electron Physics,
P.W. Hawkes ed., (Academic Press New York, 1987) Vol 69, p. 55-113

Abolut the question of the demodulation the relation to entangleing is explained in the google-entry to the Schwarz-Hora effect with the title

Zeilinger's quantum nonlocality...

Thanks for the question
Heinrich Hora, Sydney
 
Heinrich Hora said:
To the question whether the effect has been reproduced by other authors I refer to the experiments by Andrick and Langhans about the modulation process measured by electron scattering at laser irradiated gas, see reference

H. Hora, and P.H. Handel, Advances in Elecronics and Electron Physics,
P.W. Hawkes ed., (Academic Press New York, 1987) Vol 69, p. 55-113

Abolut the question of the demodulation the relation to entangleing is explained in the google-entry to the Schwarz-Hora effect with the title

Zeilinger's quantum nonlocality...

Thanks for the question
Heinrich Hora, Sydney

Thank you very much for replying personally. You just made my day! I will take a look at those articles.
The effect has caught my attention while studying the "zitterbewegung".

Are you aware of the work of H De Raedt (University of Groningen), particularly his event by event simulation of Quantum phenomena using deterministic learning machines?

While reading one of Ed Jaynes' papers on zitterbewegung it occurred to me that it might be possible to explain the Schwarz-Hora effect in a deterministic local manner.
 
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Thanks for your comment.
I did not come acros thework of H. de Raedt.
The work of Ed Jaynes is very interesting and eye-opening, and Dirac's Zitterbewegung has been discussed when I had the visit of Paul Dirac in 1975 in Sydney. From my discussion with Nathan Rosen I conclude that the relation of nonlodaclity may well be an access for clarification of the demodulation process.
 
The effect looks really interesting. Although a quick search didn't show many confirming experiments. What other measurements have been done on the electrons and their emitted light? Spectroscopy? Autocorrelation? Does the type of screen matter?
 
There are very very many more questions to be checked experimentally and theoretically. Are you interested and have funds & capacity to do this? I shall be pleased to support this. You may contact me
h.hora@unsw.edu.au
All the best
H.
 

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