What is the significance of k being a multiple of 2 or 3?

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The discussion centers on the significance of the integer k, defined as k = (p^2 - q^2) / 8, where p and q are distinct odd primes greater than or equal to 5. It is established that k is consistently a multiple of either 2 or 3, with no counterexamples found among such primes. The example provided, p=53 and q=31, illustrates that k equals 231, which is divisible by 3. The conversation also highlights that if p and q are merely odd and coprime, counterexamples exist, such as p=45 and q=31, where k is neither divisible by 2 nor 3.

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Let p,q be two different primes from 5 onwards (not 2 or 3). Let p be the biggest of the two.

The difference of squares p^2 - q^2, since p,q are both odd, is always a multiple of 8 (easy to prove). So take the integer k = (p^2 - q^2) / 8.

It turns out that k seems to be (says friend computer) a multiple of 2 or a multiple of 3, or both. I can't find an example where k is divided neither by 2 nor by 3.

Example: p=53, q=31. p^2 - q^2 = 1848 = 8 * 231. And 231 is divisible by 3.

If p and q were not primes, but just odd and coprime, then counterexamples abound. (I use coprimes because, had they a factor in common, one could produce k as a multiple of anything.) For instance: p=45, q=31. p^2 - q^2 = 1064 = 8 * 133; and 133 is not divisible by 2 nor 3.

Any hint as of why would it work only with primes (>= 5)? Or a counterexample?

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EDIT: Doh, forget it. It has to do with the numbers being 6n+1 or 6n-1. (If any mod can delete this thread I would be less embarrased.)
 
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Dodo said:
Let p,q be two different primes from 5 onwards (not 2 or 3). Let p be the biggest of the two.

The difference of squares p^2 - q^2, since p,q are both odd, is always a multiple of 8 (easy to prove). So take the integer k = (p^2 - q^2) / 8.
I'm assuming you're familiar with modular arithmetic -- any two odd numbers have the same square modulo 8.

It turns out that k seems to be (says friend computer) a multiple of 2 or a multiple of 3, or both. I can't find an example where k is divided neither by 2 nor by 3.
If k is again divisible by 2, then you are asserting any two odd primes square to the same thing modulo 16. And if k is divisible by 3, you are asserting that any two odd primes square to the same thing modulo 3.



Using modular arithmetic, it should be easy to prove that k is divisible by 3, and to find an example where k is not divisible by 2.

(aside: if m is relatively prime to n, then there are infinitely many prime numbers equivalent to m modulo n)
 

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