What Is the Significance of the Constant c in Wave Equations?

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The discussion revolves around the significance of the constant c in wave equations, particularly in the context of different physical systems such as vibrating strings. Participants explore the implications of the ratio T/ρ and its relation to wave propagation speeds, questioning whether this can be interpreted as tension propagating at the speed of light or other wave speeds.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants assert that c represents the speed of light, while others clarify that c can denote the speed of any wave in a given medium.
  • There is a question about whether the ratio T/ρ = c² can be interpreted as tension propagating at the speed of light throughout the string.
  • One participant suggests that the ratio T/ρ = v² could indicate the speed at which a disturbance travels along the string when plucked.
  • Another participant emphasizes that the derivation of the wave equation from a string does not necessarily provide insight into the fundamental nature of c in the context of space-time.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the interpretation of c and its implications in various contexts. There is no consensus on whether the ratio T/ρ should be linked to the speed of light or if it is more general.

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Some statements rely on specific interpretations of physical quantities and their relationships, which may vary depending on the context of the wave being discussed.

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For systems whose motion is discribed by the wave equation

$$ \bigg(\frac{1}{c^2} \frac{\partial^2}{\partial t^2} - \vec{\nabla^2} \bigg)u \big(\vec{x},t \big) = 0$$ ##c## is the speed of light. It corresponds to different quantities depending on what the system under consideretion is. For instance, for a simple vibrating string, ##c = \sqrt{T / \rho}## where ##T## is the tension and ##\rho## is the mass density per unit length.

My question is, What is the meaning of the ratio ## T / \rho = c^2##? Maybe, tension propagates at the speed of light throughout the string?
 
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davidge said:
##c## is the speed of light.
Not necessarily, c is the speed of whatever wave you are dealing with.
 
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NFuller said:
Not necessarily, c is the speed of whatever wave you are dealing with.
Oh, I forgot about that. Thanks.

But, still, could the ratio ##T / \rho = v^2## be interpreted as the tension propagating across the string at the speed ##v##?
 
davidge said:
But, still, could the ratio T/ρ=v2T/ρ=v2T / \rho = v^2 be interpreted as the tension propagating across the string at the speed vvv?
##v## is the speed at which a disturbance in the string would travel. If you plucked the string, the distortion in it's shape would travel down the string at this speed.
 
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c is speed of light that has a numerical value of 3*10^8 m/s.
 
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Preston Leggett said:
c is speed of light that has a numerical value of 3*10^8 m/s.

Did you even read OP and other posts? c does have more general meaning in the context of OP.
 
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If I understand the OP post correctly, he is trying to use the string derivation of the wave equation to glean insight into the "cause" of c, i.e. apply that insight into space-time.
I don't think you can. I think you just have to take the 1/c^2 as a factor that, while eventually causing the wave speed, can have very different and unrelated derivations.
 
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Thank you all
 

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