What is the Solution for |x+1| = 2x-1?

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The discussion revolves around solving the equation |x+1| = 2x-1, exploring the implications of absolute values in equations and the conditions under which solutions may exist. Participants engage in a mix of mathematical reasoning and conceptual clarification regarding absolute values and their properties.

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  • Some participants propose that the equation can be simplified by considering the properties of absolute values, noting that |A| can never be negative.
  • One participant attempts to solve the equation by setting up cases based on the definition of absolute values but makes errors in their calculations.
  • Another participant emphasizes that for |A| = B, B must be non-negative, leading to the conclusion that x must be greater than 1/2 for the equation to hold.
  • There are repeated attempts to clarify the correct interpretation of the absolute value and the conditions under which the equation can be solved.
  • Participants express uncertainty and seek further clarification on the steps needed to arrive at a solution.

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Participants do not reach a consensus on the solution to the equation. There are competing views on how to approach the problem, and several participants express confusion over the calculations and the implications of the absolute value.

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Limitations include unresolved mathematical steps and varying interpretations of the absolute value properties. Some participants misapply the definitions, leading to incorrect conclusions.

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Is this right:

x+1 = -2x+1
2x+x = 1-1
3x = 0

No solution?
 
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Rusho said:
Is this right:

x+1 = -2x+1
2x+x = 1-1
3x = 0

No solution?
No, that's not correct.
I'll give you some hints to start of the problems.
First, you should notice that, can |A| ever be negative?
So if you have an equation: |A| = B, can B be negative?
And you will have:
[tex]|A| = \left\{ \begin{array}{l} A, \quad \mbox{if } A \geq 0 \\ -A , \quad \mbox{if } A < 0 \end{array} \right.[/tex]
So to solve something like |A| = B, you will have to solve the system of equations:
[tex]\left\{ \begin{array}{l} B \geq 0 \\ \left[ \begin{array}{l} A = B \\ A = -B \end{array} \right. \end{array} \right.[/tex]
Can you get it? Can you go from here? :)
 
ok so
-x+1 = 2x-1
-3x = -2
x=-2/3

?
 
Rusho said:
ok so
-x+1 = 2x-1
-3x = -2
x=-2/3

?
Again, it's wrong... :frown:
First -(x + 1) is -x - 1, not -x + 1.
Now, just do it step by step, and see if you can get the answer.
First, in the equation you have:
|x + 1| = 2x - 1.
Just compare it with |A| = B, so what's A, and what's B, you think?
And can you solve this system
[tex]\left\{ \begin{array}{l} B \geq 0 \\ \left[ \begin{array}{l} A = B \\ A = -B \end{array} \right. \end{array} \right.[/tex]?
But anyway, you should read my previous post again to understand the concept more deeply.
Can you go from here? :)
 
so |A| is |x+1| and B is 2x-1
|A| can be negative
B cannot
-x-1 = 2x-1
-2x-x = 1-1
-3x = 0 ?

I'm sorry if I'm just not seeing this
 
Rusho said:
so |A| is |x+1| and B is 2x-1
|A| can be negative
B cannot
-x-1 = 2x-1
-2x-x = 1-1
-3x = 0 ?

I'm sorry if I'm just not seeing this
The absolute value of A is never negative.
Hence |A| >= 0
If |A| = B, and A >= 0, it's true that B >= 0, right? Now, just look at my first post in this thread to see if you can get it.
Now can you solve for the value of x that makes B non-negative?
By the way, there should be some examples in your books, let's give it a glance to see if you find any.
I'll give you an example, though:
------------------
Example:
Solve the equation:
|2x + 1| = x - 1
[tex]\Leftrightarrow \left\{ \begin{array}{l} x - 1 \geq 0 \\ \left[ \begin{array}{l} 2x + 1 = x - 1 \\ 2x + 1 = -(x - 1) \end{array} \right. \end{array} \right.[/tex]
[tex]\Leftrightarrow \left\{ \begin{array}{l} x \geq 1 \\ \left[ \begin{array}{l} x = - 2 \\ 2x + 1 = -x + 1 \end{array} \right. \end{array} \right.[/tex]
[tex]\Leftrightarrow \left\{ \begin{array}{l} x \geq 1 \\ \left[ \begin{array}{l} x = - 2 \\ 3x = 0 \end{array} \right. \end{array} \right.[/tex]
[tex]\Leftrightarrow \left\{ \begin{array}{l} x \geq 1 \\ \left[ \begin{array}{l} x = - 2 \\ x = 0 \end{array} \right. \end{array} \right.[/tex]
x = -2 is not a valid solution, right? Because in order for x - 1 >= 0, x must be greater than or equal to 1, and -2 is obviously less than 1.
And neither is x = 0, hence there's no x such that:
|2x + 1| = x - 1
------------------
Can you go from here? :)
 
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alright, I'll work on it, thanks for your help!
 
|x+1| is always >0. Now look at the right side. It means that x MUST be larger than 1/2. So x+1 is >0 and we drop the absolute value sign: x+1=2x-1. It's pretty easy to solve.
 

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