What is the speed of the Earth traveling through the cosmos?

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The discussion revolves around the speed of Earth as it travels through the cosmos, particularly in relation to the concept of a "center of the universe" and the Cosmic Microwave Background (CMB) frame. Participants explore the implications of measuring speed relative to the CMB and question the existence of a universal frame of reference.

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  • One participant asks about the speed of Earth compared to a hypothetical center of the universe, referencing the Big Bang as a starting point.
  • Another participant argues that the concept of a "center of the universe" does not exist and suggests that the relevant speed is that of Earth relative to the CMB, which is approximately 300 km/s.
  • There is a discussion about whether the speed of Earth could be considered zero in relation to a "cosmos frame," with some participants questioning the validity of such a frame.
  • One participant expresses confusion about the meaning of light's speed being zero in relation to space, leading to a clarification that the speed of light is constant in all non-accelerating reference frames.
  • Another participant speculates that the inability to assign a frame of reference to the entire universe might explain why the speed of light does not vary with the observer's motion.
  • Concerns are raised about the clarity and quality of some posts, with a participant suggesting that the communication style is inappropriate for a scientific forum.

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Participants express multiple competing views regarding the concept of speed in relation to the universe and the CMB. The discussion remains unresolved, with no consensus on the existence of a universal frame of reference or the implications of measuring speed relative to the CMB.

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Limitations include the ambiguity surrounding the concept of a "cosmos frame" and the challenges in defining speed without a universal reference point. Some posts lack clarity and coherence, which may hinder understanding.

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what is the speed of Earth as it travels the cosmos,compared with the center of the universe.lets say the big bang starting point.?
 
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john1800 said:
lets say the big bang starting point.?
There is no such thing. The closest you can get to a concept such as this is to find the relative speed between the Earth and the CMB rest frame. This speed is around 300 km/s.
 
so we don't now the Earth speed,or direction in space.the true speed at least.my question is.if we don't now the speed or direction of Earth we are.but we measure something with a speed in relation of CBM frame.that we can't go over it even in mathematics.and its always the same.can we imagine that this speed may be 0 in relation not the CBM but the space.?!
 
john1800 said:
the true speed at least
It is not a question of not knowing something like the true speed, it is a question of the concept not existing.
john1800 said:
if we don't now the speed or direction of Earth we are.but we measure something with a speed in relation of CBM frame.that we can't go over it even in mathematics.and its always the same.can we imagine that this speed may be 0 in relation not the CBM but the space.?!
From this it is completely unclear to me what your question is.
 
my question is.if the speed of light in relation of the space is 0,and we are traveling with the speed we mesure as its speed.will it solved all the problems we have with its speed? is this a possibility?
 
john1800 said:
if the speed of light in relation of the space is 0
What does this mean? The speed of light is not zero. This makes your post read like word salad.
 
its not zero in relation of CBM frame.it may be zero in relation of cosmos frame.lets say.can it be?
 
john1800 said:
its not zero in relation of CBM frame.it may be zero in relation of cosmos frame.lets say.can it be?

The speed of light is c, approximately 300,000 km/s, in all non-accelerating reference frames. Note that there is no such thing as a 'cosmos frame'. You cannot assign a frame of reference to space itself or the entire universe.
 
i now,You cannot assign a frame of reference the entire universe,but maybe that is the problem,maybe that is why It doesn't vary whether the observer is moving or not.maybe that is why you can't to go faster.you always can go faster.you can not be slower than zero.thats probable.o_O
 
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john1800 said:
i now,You cannot assign a frame of reference the entire universe,but maybe that is the problem,maybe that is why It doesn't vary whether the observer is moving or not.maybe that is why you can't to go faster.you always can go faster.you can not be slower than zero.thats probable.o_O

Unlikely.
 
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@john1800 please read the PF forum rules on post quality. Your posts are illegible word salad with punctuation thrown into randomly replace spaces. This type of communication may be acceptable when communicating with your friends by text, but not when communicating with professional scientists at PF. Please write with proper spelling and punctuation.

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