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Originally posted by FZ+
You mean physical changes = God?
I wonder though if deities can in fact be consistent with an materialistic view...
Materialism did not include deities, cause materialism tries to explain the world without the help of deities. Consistent materialism therefore goes without any reference to a deity.
Just to be fair, I'll list some of the assumptions of materialism...
- We can understand all things without the intervention of logical loopholes.
- Logic applies to all existence.
- Physical laws are universal.
- Reality is not abolute (ok, kinda doesn't make sense, but...)
- Existence is objective and separate from perception.
- Observations are meaningful in respect to truth.
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Some critique on this list of "assumptions" hold by materialism...
You refer to "logical loopholes" and the "application of logic" in the context of materialism. It can be shown however that the aristotelian logic does not apply to matter. So it seems to me, you made the wrong list of assumptions, since clearly they do not fit materialism.
To mention one item of logic, that does not fit the material world:
the most fundamantal law of logic is the law of identity (A=A).
This law of identity works well for abstract categories of the mind, like numbers. For the material world however, the law of identity has no application. Nowhere in nature you will find something that is exactly equal to something else, not even something that equals itself, cause everything is changing and moving, and is never the same. The only way of introducing the law of identity in the real world, would be to consider things without their inherent motion, thus by removing time. But this is just an absurdity, because things don't exist outside of time. Even a proton is never equal to itself, cause it is constantly interchanging the gluon force particles (mesons) with other nuclear particles, and changes from proton to neutron and then back to a neutron. And there is no way in which you can stop a proton from being in motion.