What is the ultimate foundation of mathematics and where does it all begin?

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The discussion revolves around the foundational aspects of mathematics, specifically exploring where mathematics begins and how it can be formally explained, with a focus on set theory and its relationship to mathematical logic.

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  • One participant suggests that the ultimate foundation of mathematics begins with set theory, noting its presupposition in various areas of mathematical logic such as model theory and first-order logic.
  • Another participant references Alfred North Whitehead's and Bertrand Russell's "Principia Mathematica" as a historical attempt to establish arithmetic from logic, implying a significant contribution to the discussion of mathematical foundations.
  • There is a correction regarding a link to "Principia Mathematica," with one participant mistakenly linking to Isaac Newton's work instead, highlighting the importance of accurate references in discussing foundational texts.
  • A later reply emphasizes the excitement of proving basic arithmetic truths, such as 1+1=2, within the context of Whitehead and Russell's work, suggesting that foundational mathematics can be engaging.

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Participants express differing views on the starting point of mathematics, with some advocating for set theory while others highlight historical texts like "Principia Mathematica." The discussion remains unresolved regarding a singular foundation.

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There are limitations in the discussion regarding the assumptions made about set theory and its role in mathematical logic, as well as the dependence on specific historical texts for foundational arguments.

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This might be a naive question, but I were to ask you to briefly explain the ultimate foundation of mathematics in a formal manner to get to at least, say, the natural numbers, how would you do it? Where does it all begin? I would say that it begins with set theory, but in studying set theory it seems that a lot of mathematical logic presupposes it, such as model theory and first order logic.
Just a brief sketch of it all to wrap my head around would be nice.
 
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.Scott said:
Check out Alfred North Whitehead's and Bertrand Russell's "Principia Mathematica".
They had the same question a century ago and wrote a book creating arithmetic from logic.

This links to a pdf - 582 pages:
https://docs.lib.noaa.gov/rescue/Rarebook_treasures/QA803A451846.PDF
That's the wrong "Principa Mathematica." The one you linked to was written by some guy called Newton.
 
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Mr Davis 97 said:
That's the wrong "Principa Mathematica." The one you linked to was written by some guy called Newton.
Sorry. Here's a good link: https://ia800602.us.archive.org/35/items/PrincipiaMathematicaVolumeI/WhiteheadRussell-PrincipiaMathematicaVolumeI.pdf

Things get exciting starting on page 362 (pdf page 406) where in section 54.43, we finally prove that 1+1=2.
There are 719 pdf pages all together.

It's a real page turner. Or maybe not. But you can find their book in any library.
 
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