What is the ultimate truth about the universe?

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The discussion revolves around the question of whether humanity will ever fully understand the universe, including concepts such as the nature of black holes, the possibility of multiple universes, and the limits of physics and mathematics in answering fundamental questions. Participants explore philosophical implications, the journey of scientific inquiry, and the potential for future discoveries.

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  • Philosophical reflection

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants express skepticism about whether humanity will ever fully understand the universe before extinction, questioning the limits of physics and mathematics.
  • Others argue that the pursuit of knowledge is valuable in itself, emphasizing the journey over the destination in scientific exploration.
  • A participant mentions string theory in relation to the concept of multiple universes, suggesting a connection between theoretical frameworks and the exploration of the universe.
  • Concerns are raised about the vagueness of the original question, with some participants seeking more clarity on what an answer could entail.
  • One participant humorously claims to understand the universe as "banana pudding," highlighting a playful perspective on the topic.
  • Another participant posits that while a fundamental theory of the universe may be achievable within 200 years, this would not signify the end of physics, as new questions would continue to arise.
  • There is a suggestion that there may always be new phenomena to discover, indicating an ongoing nature of scientific inquiry.
  • Some participants speculate about the possibility of reaching a point where no further discoveries are made, particularly concerning the basic laws of physics.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a range of views, with no clear consensus on whether humanity will achieve a complete understanding of the universe. Some emphasize the importance of the journey in science, while others are more pessimistic about the potential for future discoveries.

Contextual Notes

Participants acknowledge the limitations of current understanding and the potential for future discoveries, but there is no agreement on the timeline or nature of such advancements. The discussion includes speculative and philosophical elements that complicate definitive conclusions.

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As physicists and mathematicians, do you honestly believe that before humans die out, we will ever understand what the universe really is. What is behond it, if anything. Are there more universes. What is at the very bottom of a black hole.

I mean, physics and maths can only prove so much, but there gets a point where the only way to prove somethin is to see it with your own eyes.

Realistically, do you guys ever see humanity figuring this stuff out before our time is up?

:rolleyes:
 
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No, physics/science cannot answer every possible question, particularly "why" questions. But what's with the rolleyes? So what?
 
Because I hope by the time I die I get to know what the universe is. The rolleyes is more of a "deep thought" emot
 
Isn't the more universes part of the string theory thing?

Maybe someday they will be able to have a real life start trek crew that explores space, that would be cool.
 
uperkurk said:
Because I hope by the time I die I get to know what the universe is.

Your question is so vague as to be meaningless. What could an answer possibly look like?
 
uperkurk said:
As physicists and mathematicians, do you honestly believe that before humans die out, we will ever understand what the universe really is. What is behond it, if anything. Are there more universes. What is at the very bottom of a black hole.

I mean, physics and maths can only prove so much, but there gets a point where the only way to prove somethin is to see it with your own eyes.

Realistically, do you guys ever see humanity figuring this stuff out before our time is up?

:rolleyes:

I haven't the slightest idea what humanity will known 10,000 years from now, much less ten million.
 
uperkurk said:
Realistically, do you guys ever see humanity figuring this stuff out before our time is up?

:rolleyes:

A mild and vague "uperkurk of the gap" version. Sidenote: Rough estimate and analysis. "Are we able to?"...
 
My philosophy of physics is similar to my philosophy of travel: the fun is more in the journey, than in the destination.
 
uperkurk said:
Because I hope by the time I die I get to know what the universe is.
You've put two completely different time lines in this thread, fisrt you said
Realistically, do you guys ever see humanity figuring this stuff out before our time is up?

and now it's before you die. Before you die, I'd say NO.
 
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No matter how much we understand anything, people can always generate more and more questions and thereby work themselves into a state where they feel we don't understand anything.
 
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I understand exactly what the universe is. Banana pudding. One simply enjoys banana pudding and doesn't contemplate what an empty bowl means. Mmm...pudding...
 
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jtbell said:
My philosophy of physics is similar to my philosophy of travel: the fun is more in the journey, than in the destination.
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I see some reasonable probability that humans will be able to find a fundamental theory of the universe which covers all known (current+future) fundamental phenomena in the next 200 years. This would not be the end of physics, but it would mean particle physics and cosmology would have nothing unexpected left to discover.
I think it is meaningless to talk about "truth", "reality" and similar things in physics, therefore such a theory would be the best possible achievement of fundamental physics.
If we don't have such a theory in 200 years, I have no idea how strange it might be, and if it can be discovered at all.
 
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It's highly likely imo that there will always be new things in science to understand.
 
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This would require an infinite number of things to understand, or a certain point (might be extremely far away) after which nothing else is found.

And that for the basic laws of physics? I would not expect this.
For applications of physics? I agree.
 

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