What is the validity of reductionism in explaining mental properties?

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The discussion centers on the validity of reductionism in explaining mental properties, particularly the distinction between reducible intentional properties and non-reducible qualitative properties, or qualia. Participants argue that while many mental properties may be reducible to physical processes in the brain, qualia remain emergent and cannot be fully explained through reductionist approaches. The knowledge argument, exemplified by the thought experiment involving Mary, highlights the gap between physical knowledge and experiential understanding, suggesting that knowing all physical facts does not equate to experiencing qualia. Some participants assert that qualia are not causally effective, while others argue for a connection between physical brain states and qualitative experiences. Ultimately, the debate reflects differing views on whether an explanatory gap exists between physical brain functions and subjective experiences.
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Upisoft said:
I was thinking of definition (b). I see you use definition (a). I wonder then how this approach handles problems like black holes. Black holes cannot theoretically be studied other than an entity with few properties. Unless, of course, we find something faster than light, that can carry information. At least I think there is no other option.

b) seems pretty indefensible to me. Physicalism is about scientific reductionism, not philosophical reductionism. The only difference is that "interactions" are included in a) because physics is all about interactions. We don't talk about the force between and electron and itself. Force is something that couples two different objects.

I don't know much about relativity or cosmology; my modern studies consisted of quantum and nonlinear. It might be a good question for the cosmology forum above that we could later link to for our discussion, but I would guess much of relativity reduces to spacetime.
 
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Upisoft said:
Well, let's say we are unable to directly observe some of the hidden parts. Thus we will know about them only indirectly, by observing the emergent properties they create. If this happens to be true, does it mean the reductionism is not valid view?

You can't apply reduction to strong emergent properties. But you can still have identity. This is the idea behind http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anomalous_monism" .
 
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