What is von Neumann's branching of possible worlds?

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The discussion revolves around the concept of "von Neumann's branching of possible worlds" within the context of the Many Worlds Interpretation (MWI) of quantum mechanics. Participants explore the implications of this branching in relation to conscious observation and measurement, as well as its distinction from other interpretations like the Many Minds Interpretation.

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  • One participant questions the meaning of "von Neumann branching of possible worlds," suggesting it may relate to the idea of a "splitting" occurring in the minds of conscious observers during measurement, akin to the Many Minds Interpretation.
  • Another participant asserts that the concept of branching is ambiguous and can be placed at various points in the measurement process, indicating a lack of consensus on where branching or collapse occurs.
  • A challenge is raised regarding the metaphysical nature of the idea of minds splitting, questioning the evidence for such claims and suggesting it falls outside the realm of physics.
  • A later reply prompts the original poster to consider consulting textbooks or peer-reviewed papers for a more rigorous understanding of von Neumann's contributions to quantum mechanics.

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Participants express differing views on the interpretation of von Neumann's branching and its implications, indicating that multiple competing perspectives remain without a clear resolution.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights the ambiguity surrounding the definitions and implications of branching in quantum mechanics, as well as the philosophical considerations regarding consciousness and measurement. There is an acknowledgment of the need for more rigorous sources to clarify these concepts.

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What is von Neumann's branching of possible worlds?
In the Many Worlds Interpretation's wikipedia article (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Many-worlds_interpretation), it says, at the "Reception" part:

"(...) On the other hand, the same derogatory qualification "many words" is often applied to MWI by its critics, who see it as a word game which obfuscates rather than clarifies by confounding the von Neumann branching of possible worlds with the Schrödinger parallelism of many worlds in superposition"

I have not been able to find anything meaningful about "von Neumann branching of possible worlds". Do you know what does this mean?

Is it referring to von Neumann's proposal that a "splitting" exists in the mind of the conscious observers every time a measurement is made (similarly to what Many Minds Interpretation proposes: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Many-minds_interpretation)?

(This is indicated in Gary Drescher's book "Good and Real: Demystifying Paradoxes from Physics to Ethics":
"To accommodate his unwillingness to accept a splitting of mind, von Neumann denied the entire splitting of the physical world, postulating instead a quantum collapse at just the point where conscious observation occurs")
 
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What is the question?
This a known grey area and the branching can be put anywhere, just as collapse can be put anywhere in the chain of object, apparatus, observer.
What is the evidence that minds can split? It's metaphysics, not physics.
 
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Suekdccia said:
I have not been able to find anything meaningful about "von Neumann branching of possible worlds".

Have you looked at a textbook or a peer-reviewed paper? von Neumann himself wrote a lengthy tome describing his formulation of QM.
 

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