What it meant by quality of energy?

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The discussion revolves around the concept of "quality of energy," particularly in the context of thermodynamics and the second law. Participants explore the distinction between the quantity and quality of energy, referencing theoretical frameworks and practical implications in engineering.

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  • Some participants inquire about the meaning of "quality of energy," suggesting that additional context or references would be beneficial.
  • A participant references a textbook, explaining that the second law of thermodynamics indicates that energy has both quality and quantity, with the first law focusing solely on energy transformations without regard for quality.
  • Another participant suggests that the concept of energy quality may relate to "availability" or "exergy," noting that high-temperature energy can be more effectively converted to work compared to low-temperature energy.
  • One participant provides an example involving water's specific heat capacity, arguing that the quality of heat extracted from water is low due to minimal temperature differences, while converting water to steam increases its energy quality.

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Participants express differing views on the interpretation of "quality of energy," with some aligning with the textbook definition while others propose alternative concepts like availability or exergy. The discussion remains unresolved regarding a unified understanding of the term.

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Participants reference specific thermodynamic principles and texts, indicating that the discussion may depend on varying definitions and interpretations of energy quality. There are also unresolved aspects related to the implications of energy quality in practical applications.

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I know that energy has quantity but what it means that energy has quality also??
what it meant by quality of energy?
 
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KOUSIK said:
I know that energy has quantity but what it means that energy has quality also??
what it meant by quality of energy?
I'm afraid you need to supply more context here. If you can provide any references which talk about 'quality of energy', that would be helpful.
 
SteamKing said:
I'm afraid you need to supply more context here. If you can provide any references which talk about 'quality of energy', that would be helpful.
Reference: Thermodynamics:An Engineering Approach by Yunus A.Cengel and Boles
I read about it in second law of thermodynamics chapter
"The use of second law is not limited to identifying the direction of processes. The second law also asserts that energy has quality as well has quantity. The first law is concerned with quantity of energy and transformations of energy from one form to another form with no regard of its quality.Preserving the quality of energy is a major concern to enineers, and the second law provides the necessary means to determine the quality as well as the degree of degradation of energy during a process. More of high temperature energy can be converted to work, and thus it has a higher quality than the same amount of energy at a lower temperature."
 
KOUSIK said:
Reference: Thermodynamics:An Engineering Approach by Yunus A.Cengel and Boles
I read about it in second law of thermodynamics chapter
"The use of second law is not limited to identifying the direction of processes. The second law also asserts that energy has quality as well has quantity. The first law is concerned with quantity of energy and transformations of energy from one form to another form with no regard of its quality.Preserving the quality of energy is a major concern to enineers, and the second law provides the necessary means to determine the quality as well as the degree of degradation of energy during a process. More of high temperature energy can be converted to work, and thus it has a higher quality than the same amount of energy at a lower temperature."

This passage seems to be discussing what used to be called 'availability', rather than quality. This is also called 'exergy' in some texts:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exergy

For instance, water has a relatively large specific heat capacity, so a large body of water contains a staggering amount of heat. The major problem in extracting some of this heat from a body of water in order to do work is that usually there is little temperature difference between the upper portions of the body of water and the atmosphere. Thus, you could say, the quality of this heat is rather low. OTOH, if you take some of this water and put it into a boiler, converting it to steam, you have made a high quality source of energy.
 

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